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Old 22nd September 2005, 11:50
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K.G. 51, lost a/c

W.Nr. 3367 and 3439, both lost 1941 with K.G. 51, can you confirm these were Ju 88?

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Old 22nd September 2005, 11:53
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Sorry, I was too quick posting this thread
Seems they both were Do 17Zs from K.G. 3

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Old 23rd September 2005, 12:36
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Hi Pawel,
Have you confirmed whether these a/c are from KG3, and do you have any further info as to there loss?
From the W.Nr's given, they would appear to have been Dornier 17Z-2 variants.

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Old 23rd September 2005, 12:48
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

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Have you confirmed whether these a/c are from KG3
I think so, 5K+ET (3367) was lost 22-Jul-41 in Russia and 5K+DS (3439) 23-Apr-41, Greece. I acquired information on those losses via Jim P. so most probably K.G. 51 (that flew Ju 88 at that time) is a typo either by Jim or in original Gen.Qu. report.

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Old 23rd September 2005, 13:04
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Hi Pawel,

Thanks ever so much for your speedy response!
Yes it would appear to have been a typo, has you rightly say,but i dont have either of these W.Nr's within my losses for KG3,and i trust Jim P's data and experience, more so, than my own humble listings!!

Thanks for your help Pawel,
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Old 23rd September 2005, 17:15
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Hi Pawel and Steve,

According to “Neizvestnaya bitva v nebe Mosvy” by Dmitry Khazanov Do 17Z WNr.3367 5K+ET of 9./KG 3 was shot down during Luftwaffe raid on Moscow on 21/22th July 1941 by Mark Lazarevich Gallay and fell down between Vitebsk and Smolensk.

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Old 23rd September 2005, 23:51
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Mikhail, thank you for this information. What is your opinion on Khazanov's book?

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Old 24th September 2005, 00:20
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Hi Mikhail,
Thank you for the information reg. 5K+ET lost over Moscow.
It is very helpful.

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Old 24th September 2005, 09:55
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Hi again,

"Neizvestnaja bitva v nebe Moskvy" by D.Khazanov has 2 vols. The third (and the last) will be published soon. In my opinion this book is not very good. The info is very poor, especially about Luftwaffe units. I've read the book but the theme about air battles over Moscow in 1941-1942 is still unknown to me!

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Old 24th September 2005, 10:11
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Re: K.G. 51, lost a/c

Good morning Pawel,

Following on from your post regarding Dornier 17 and KG3 losses, could you possibly help me one more time.
I have very limited info regarding losses from III/KG3 lost over the Balkans and Greece, these were on 6.4.41 my source being Shores airwar over Yugoslavia Greece and Crete book.
looking for W.Nr's , codes, any crew details.
Any help would be most appreciated.
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Steve.

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