7/KG55 casualty 28 - 08 - 40

[Black6]

I know some Lw casualties of this era can be hard to ID if they were not listed in QMG returns so I thought I'd mention these I'd just stumbled on.

Gefr -Bordschütze Helmut Bretthauer. DOB 28-02-17 Hüttenhof.
Erk-Mk. 407/58246 DOW 29-08-40 Villacoublay after flying to Liverpool on the day before.

and KG 26

Uffz. Hermann Weihe. of 6/KG 26 DOB 30-11-15 Hannover
Erk-Mk. 37/ 51905 Died 28-09-40 at Le Bourget -Paris

[Rottler]

Hello Black6,

20 years ago in www.btinternet.com/~airˍresearch/kg55loss.pdf I have found the entry
29 August 1940 He 111 WNr. 2692 7./KG 55 G1+BR
F Lt Heinz Nützel (58246/197)
B Ofw Heinz Scheithauer (67013/37)
Bf Ogfr Erich Schreiber (58246/412)
Bm Fw Karl Brohr (65113/95)
Bs Gfr Helmut Bretthauer (58246/407) killed.
Crashed on take off for an attack on Liverpool, at Villacoublay aerodrome.

Regards
Leo

[Black6]

Thank Leo.

I just found another reference to 6/KG26 on 28-09-40 at Le Bourget when Uffz-Bordf. Werner Seemann, also died, he was in the same crew.

[Rottler]

Hello Black6,

the He 111 WNr. 2692 is listed in the GQM loss return 30 Aug 1940, item 27:
28.8. III./KG 55 Feindflug, Ort: bei Versailles, Ursache: Absturz nach Start, He 111 P WNr. 2692 100%. 5 Tote (Besatzung Lt Nützel).

Regards
Leo

[Black6]

Thanks Leo
so it was another one where NCO's were not named.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by Black6

I know some Lw casualties of this era can be hard to ID if they were not listed in QMG returns so I thought I'd mention these I'd just stumbled on.

Gefr -Bordschütze Helmut Bretthauer. DOB 28-02-17 Hüttenhof.
Erk-Mk. 407/58246 DOW 29-08-40 Villacoublay after flying to Liverpool on the day before.

and KG 26

Uffz. Hermann Weihe. of 6/KG 26 DOB 30-11-15 Hannover
Erk-Mk. 37/ 51905 Died 28-09-40 at Le Bourget -Paris

Black6

It would be far better if you either state both your requests in your heading instead of adding one which has nothing to do with the initial topic.
Also instead of saying you stumble upon something, it makes more sense, to me, that you say where you located the details.
It saves everyone time and effort to not go looking where you already have been.

The KG 26 aircraft you are after is listed by Alexander Steenbeck in his KG 26 book as follows
28.09.1940, He 111 H, WNr unknown, code unknown, at Le Bourget, returning from a combat mission crashed due to hitting the ground, aircraft DBF
Crew: FF Uffz Heinz Weihe, BO Ofw Heinrich Kirchner, BF Uffz Werner Seemann, BS Gefr Siegfried Friesser.

He also lists one aircraft WNr 5621 1H+EP (or +ET) which crashed the same day, unknown place and with an unknown crew, four killed.
Could have been from either II. or III./KG 26
It is easy to perhaps jump to conclusion that this was the ID of said aircraft.

B Rgds
Stig

[Rottler]

Hello Stig,

according to the GQM loss returns on 28 Sep 40 the II./KG 26 lost two aircraft.
5./KG 26 Ort: St. Germain, He 111 H-3 WNr. 3190 1H+LN 100%. 4 †, no names.
II./KG 26 Ort: unbekannt, He 111 H-3 WNr. 5621 1H+EP 100%. 4 †, no names.
In Rudi Schmidt’s KG 26 book "Achtung – Torpedos los!" on 28 Sep 40 two III./KG 26 losses are listed: besides the Uffz Weihe-crew the Meuthen-crew: Uffz Franz Meuthen and the Gefr Herbert Nisch, Heinz Fielitz and Wilhelm Rinke.
In the thread "2 x Heinkel 111’s lost 28.9.40 II/KG 26" from 26 Nov 2008 Peter Cornwall had stated that at that time the III./KG 26 crews Weihe (7./KG 26) and Meuthen (9./KG 26) operated the II./KG 26 aircraft WNr. 5621 (Weihe) and WNr. 3190 (Meuthen).

Regards
Leo

[Black6]

Hi Stig
I made no request.
I was working on something else and noted details of these men, I remember that QMG doesnt always give NCO casualties in this era and decided not to ignore them, so I put them here, I hoped that somebody else might need them. I was going to list some May 1940 casualties in the Netherlands but do not wish to be a nuisance.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Leo

My finger trouble. WNr 5621 it is (I have amended my mistake above)

Odd that Steenbeck does not make the connections in his book, since I am pretty certain those who
read the passages do (I did for example)
Also seems Peter Cornwell did as well.

Black6

No you are not a nuisance. All I say it is far better if you follow simple rules when asking for further information.
a) Don't add items which is not in your heading. Start a new thread instead.
b) Give your sources since it makes things much easier for everyone. There are plenty of people here who
answers threads only to learn that the individual who asks already have the details in exactly the same source quoted.

Cheers
Stig

[Snautzer]

Heinz Scheithauer (67013/37) grave https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...2#post-1769417