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Old 3rd March 2023, 17:31
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Yugo Partisan ships sunk ect by aircraft

on the axishistoryforum.com The Allies and Neutral States in General section there is a new post (From Soviet Empire) Chronology of Yugoslavian, Greek Partisan naval actions (and Sabotage of other partisan groups)

Yugoslav partisan ships sunk and damaged by aircraft

24 Feb 43 PB Partisan sunk Italian Seaplane off Pogdara

sunk by Luftwaffe

13 Nov 43 PB Partisan III and Small boat captured by the Crusiet Niobe and TA- 20 after being damaged by air attack.

27 Dec 43 PB PC-61 Udar and PG NB_5 Ivan sunk aircraft

28 Dec 43 PB PC-60 Vjekoslava sunk aircraft

14 Jan PB PC-24 Marjan damaged and 1 sailor KIA PC-54 Turist off Vis by aircraft

20 Mar 44 PG NB1 Krava and NB-6 Napredak sunk aircraft

23 Mar 44 PC-5 and PC-70 Mandina sunk aircraft

3 Jun 44 Unconfirmed Messerschmitt claim NB-3 Jadram off Brac

Friendly fire incidents

11 May 44 NB-4 Topcider damaged Allied aircraft

11 Sep 44 PC-21 Miran strafed 1 WIA British Aircraft off Pag Island

12 Sep 44 PC-75 sunk 3 slight WIA 6 Hurricanes

21 Oct 44 NB-13 sunk British air raid off Olib Island 2 WIA

PB patrol Boat
PG Gunboat

I hope this is of some use. How is the database of ships sunk, damaged ect by the Luftwaffe coming along? I sent in some more info on Soviet Fugas class minesweepers and Black Sea losses Jul-Dec 1942 and early war losses and haven't got a reply yet. I realize the list will be massive.
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Yugoslav partisan ships sunk and damaged by aircraft …
NSG 7 was resposible for some of these. ULTRA KV 431 5 April 1944 mentions that "… CR 42 with super heavy MG is pre-eminently suited for attacking wooden ships …" There are several reports of attacks by this unit on small coastal vessels during Spring 1944 if anyone is prepared to plough through the DEFE 3 files for the period (all free to download). I have seen the reports but was busy looking for other material so didn't take notes.
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Re: Yugo Partisan ships sunk ect by aircraft

If I may assist with few items...

24 Feb 43 PB Partizan sunk (by?) Italian Seaplane off Podgora (i.e., not Pogdara)

3 Jun 44 Unconfirmed Messerschmitt claim NB-3 Jadran (i.e., not Jadram) off (the island of) Brac

NB - Naoružani Brod Mornarice NOV i POJ - Armed Ship of the Partizan Navy

PB - Patrolni Brod - Patrol Ship

PČ - Patrolni Čamac - Patrol Boat
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Pogdara that's how it was posted. There are many ways to translate or spell names

Jadran typo on my part

Nick I would like to try and look through the DEFE 3 files you mentioned that are free to download where can I find them? Note: I have limited computer skills and access.
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Nick I would like to try and look through the DEFE 3 files you mentioned that are free to download where can I find them?
Handy guide here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/Ultra/ultra_02.html

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Pogdara that's how it was posted. There are many ways to translate or spell names
No, not in this particular case. I happen to be Croatian, so I know that "Pogdara" is someone's typo, while "Podgora" is an actual locality on the Adriatic sea.
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Re: Yugo Partisan ships sunk ect by aircraft

I believe this study has them all:

Meister, Jürg, Der Seekrieg in den osteuropäischen Gewässern 1941-45. München, 1958).

Also, if you read Serbo-Croatian, there are numerous well-researched books that cover the naval warfare along the Yugoslav coast, 1941-45.

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Re: Yugo Partisan ships sunk ect by aircraft

Hi friends,

Axel posted some addition on my reference link to this thread:
https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/sm...hp?topic=39204
for the 13.11.1943 action.

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Re: Yugo Partisan ships sunk ect by aircraft

Thanks It looks like 2/196 was the attacking unit most likely flying Ar-196s.
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Re: Yugo Partisan ships sunk ect by aircraft

Yep, I think 2./196 is correct:


2./Bordfl.Gr. 196


Formation. (Apr 36?)
The Staffel began forming at Kiel-Holtenau on 5(8?) August 1943 with an allowance of 9 Ar 196s, of which 6 were received in August, and then transferred to Venice/Italy on 13 August. On arrival at Venice it sub-divided, sending about half of its crews and aircraft to Orbetello on the Italian west coast. The Staffel's mission was to fly convoy escort and anti-submarine patrols over the Adriatic and Tyrrhenian Seas under Luftflotte 2. On 2 Sep 43 an Ar 196 failed to return from operations in the area NE of Sardinia with the loss of Lt. Erich Pfetzer and his radio operator/gunner. Italy surrendered in September, and the resulting uncertainty forced the detachment at Orbetello to relocate temporarily to Berre in South France, but it returned to Italy in a few days with station now at La Spezia. From here it flew protective cover for Do 24 flying boats operating between Corsica and the Italian mainland. Om 29 September the detachment flew an armed reconnaissance mission with four Ar 196s to locate British subs believed to be operating near Corsica, but on arrival in the target area they were jumped by Spitfires losing two aircraft, including T3+DM, and two crew members. This incident and growing Allied air superiority off the west coast of Italy in general forced the La Spezia detachment to depart for Venice in November, but the decision was made to base it at Pola (Pula) on the southern tip of the Istrian Peninsula. From here it joined the rest of the Staffel at Venice, jointly flying cover for shipping in the North Adriatic and along the North Dalmatian coast of Yugoslavia, occasionally attacking Yugoslav Partisan targets, such as radio stations on some of the islands. The main component left Venice on 27 May 1944 for Aalborg (Ålborg) in Denmark to train for duty aboard the battleship Tirpitz, which it joined in July at Altenfjord/Norway with 6 Ar 196s. The Pola detachment moved to Venice in July, remained there for a few weeks, and then transferred to Aalborg. British carrier aircraft attacked the Tirpitz at Altenfjord on 24 August and the Staffel lost two Ar 196s. On 12 November the Tirpitz was sunk at Tromsø by British air and naval forces, and some of the Staffel's Ar 196s were lost. On 1 Nov 44 the Staffel reported 11 Ar 196As on strength. In early 1945 2./Bordf1.Gr. 196 transferred from Aalborg to Bug auf Rügen in the Baltic, and from here flew its last mission during the evening of 24 March 1945 when it sent 8 Ar 196s to attack Russian subs in the harbor at Rügenwalde with 50 kg bombs. The results of the attack could not be observed, but two Ar 196s were lost to enemy fire and two more ran out of fuel on the return flight. The Staffel was disbanded on 20 April 1945. ¹


FpN: (L 53208)


Staffelkapitän:
Oblt.z.S. Borchert (5 Aug 43 - Oct 43)
Hptm. Ludwig Randerath (Oct 43 - ? )
Hptm. Gerhard Gottschalk (1944 - 20 Apr 45)


¹ G.Hummelchen-Die deutschen Seeflieger 1935-1945 (throughout); Staffel history appearing in Aviatik magazine, Heft (issue) 4/1991:12-21; F.Kurowski-Seekrieg aus der Luft: Die deutsche Seeluftwaffe im Zweiten Weltkrieg: 249; K.Ries-Luftwaffen-Story 1935-1939:158 (the information in Ries appears to be incorrect); BA-MA Freiburg: RL 2 III Meldungen über Flugzeugunfälle…..(Loss Reports – LRs); BA-MA Freiburg: Flugzeug-Bereitstellungen (Aircraft Availability Status Reports – FzB) in: M.Holm-website (ww2.dk).


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