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Old 30th March 2024, 15:54
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

Hi Hans,

Thank you for this post. I presumed that the "o" would have had a stroke through it as the translator had and was dead wrong to use the word "definitely". Your information is most welcome and appreciated.

Jim

Chris,

I owe you an apology. You were correct and I should have checked further.

I am sorry,

Jim
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Old 31st March 2024, 08:24
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

Hi Jim, no need to apologise, we are all here to learn. I would recommend the book "We started the jet age in Norway" by Cato Guhnfeldt, the story of the German Arado jet piolts at Sola 1945. Very interesting read. I was also able to visit the archives at the RAF Museum, Hendon, where photographs confirm the DR code of 140312 and also of her being prepared for transfer with Bauer.
Keep up this thread! Regards, Chris
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Old 31st March 2024, 12:03
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

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Hi Jim,
And "Rökning forbudt" is Norwegian. I asked around, and got an answer from a language expert (thanks Ephraim). He says it is Norwegian, in their most common written language, "bokmål". And he gives two other examples of "Rökning forbudt":
https://skanfil.no/auksjon/reklame-og-l
https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/441/_021017517684

Cheers Hans
Interesting Hans
Unfortunately none of your https work. No language expert what so ever myself, but a modern translation
of the Swedish word 'Rökning' into Norwegian gives Royking (the o with a slash right through.
As you know 'Bokmål' and 'Nynorsk' are written languages and they are after all very close.
What surprises me is that in 1945 the Norwegians were still using the letter ö and not the o with a slash inside.
Perhaps there was still a strong influence of Swedish spelling post Union break up in 1905?
Perhaps your friend knows?
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Old 31st March 2024, 13:13
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

Hi Stig,

A bit OT, but if you goggle ”rökning forbudt”, you'll get two older Norwegian examples, spelled with "ö" instead of "ø".

Also, Stig, you'll get a PM.

Cheers Hans
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Old 31st March 2024, 13:37
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

Thanks Hans

I switch to PM (just read that and the page you refer to)

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Old 3rd April 2024, 10:05
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

Thank you, Chris. I have just ordered Guhnfeldt's book.

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46. It is likely that Arado Ar 234 B-2b W.Nr. 140467 "8H+BH" (black "B") of 1.(F)/33 [Smith & Creek, (2022), p. 310] was among those of that unit flown to Grove-Karup, Denmark, in early May 1945 and captured intact there by the British. In this poor photo, the Arado may be "8H+BH" still in its original markings with its fairings and racks visible beneath the engine nacelle.


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47. This is a good view of how the hose from the fairing under the engine nacelle hooked into the auxiliary fuel tank on recce Arados. Note what appears to be a black "B" on the nose wheel bracket, the worn footholds, and scratches from tarp ropes in the camouflage of the port nacelle. This was likely the Arado designated "USA 6".


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48. On 24 June 1945, Karl Baur flew "USA 6" from Grove to Le Culot, 09:15-10:55 hrs., and from Le Culot to Melun-Villaroche, 14:30-15:14 hrs., [Samuel, American Raiders, pp. 291-292]. At the stopover at Le Culot, Belgium, this photo was taken of GI's examining Baur's Arado , mistaking him as British.

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Old 3rd April 2024, 10:28
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49. At Melun, "USA 6" was transformed into "Snafu I"/"303" of Watson's Whizzers and the original upper camo was covered with a coat of olive drab. On 29 June 1945, Baur transferred "Snafu I" to Cherbourg-Querqueville, 10:55-11:55 hrs, where it was cocooned and placed aboard HMS Reaper as article "13". Note that the black "B" of 1.(F)/33 on the nose wheel bracket appears to be the same as in #47.


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50. When HMS Reaper docked at Newark, New Jersey, on 1 August 1945, "Snafu I" was de-cocooned and assigned to the U.S. Navy. This picture was probably taken at NAS Patuxent River where the Arado was designated BuAer. No. 121446 [Butler, p. 221]. Like "Jane I", it was not tested due to a lack of spares. The pilot who transferred it from Newark was likely Lt. Najeeb E. Halaby who had just set an American transcontinental record in a P-80 jet in late June, from Muroc to Patuxent in 5 hrs. and 40 minutes.


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51.This picture shows one of the Arados derelict at Patuxent River in the 1950's, likely "Snafu I" with its nosewheel intact.


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52. By 1976 when this picture was taken, an Arado had been bulldozed into the bank of the Patuxent River. The opening on the top of the rear fuselage to access the cameras is visible.
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Old 3rd April 2024, 14:09
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Re: Some enlarged and "tweaked" known photos of Ar 234s

Thanks, interesting pictures.
Did you mean to type 140467 when describing # 46? - all the actual photos are captioned as such, as I thought this was the correct WNr?
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Old 3rd April 2024, 14:32
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Thanks, Andy! I'll correct it.
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53. It is probable that recce Arado Ar 234 B-2b W,Nr. 140486 was likely the one designated "USA 7" and left behind by Watson on 24 June 1945. In this picture the werknummer "486" can just be made out and you can see on the furthest (rudderless) Arado how "008" could be mistaken for the "608".
On page 310 of their 2022 Classic edition of Arado Ar 234 Blitz,Smith & Creek give:
"140486 B-2 8H+FH First flew 8 Jan 1945, found by the RAF at Grove at the end of the war, fate unknown."
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