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Old 8th April 2015, 23:51
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Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

Hi all

Does anyone have records for a Luftwaffe aircraft shot down in the vicinity of Venlo on the Meuse on 20th October 1941? The attached photo is inscribed on the back with this detail, adding in a different hand to a message to 'My dear aunt and uncle' from 'Karl'.

It would be great to identify this man who appears in an album belonging to an airman from KG3.

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Old 9th April 2015, 09:07
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

Nothing on 20th, but this is might fit:
1941-10-16, 12./KG 3, Ju 88 A-5, 883462, Heers bei Eindhoven, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Javornik, Karl, +
Bombenschütze Uffz Lux, Richard, +
Bordfunker Uffz Woll, Karl, +
Bordschütze Gefr Stendel, Horst, +

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Old 9th April 2015, 09:21
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

Hi Matti

Thanks for this. It may indeed be the aircraft. Although the photo is in the album of a man from KG3 there is no certainty this man flew with KG3. If he is a cousin for example, he may have flown with a totally unrelated unit. Any losses on 20th October might be relevant.

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Old 9th April 2015, 09:49
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

I have only one loss on 20th in Holland, but tha location is far from Venlo:
1941-10-20, 6./KG 2, Do 217 E-2, 1139, U5+AP, 7 km nordnordöstlich Schiphol, Absturz infolge Motorausfall bei Landeanflug. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Hptm Czernik, Gerhard, +
Beobachter Ofw Spies, Robert, +
Bordfunker Fw Koch, Karl, +
Bordmechaniker Fw Walther, Horst, verletzt

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Old 9th April 2015, 22:27
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

Thanks again Matti.

Unless I am misreading, he may actually spell his name Karle with an 'e'. Checking my translation skills it actually says 'crashed' rather than 'shot down', as your two records do.

A second photo (attached) also seems to say 'Karle'. I have also included the reverse of the originally posted image.

The help is much appreciated.

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Old 10th April 2015, 00:57
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

There was a crash of a Do 217 of 4./KG 40 on 21.10.1941 near Mheer/Maastricht. Beobachter Uffz. Karl Fischer, 6.12.1915 Aalen, was killed. EM 53578/931. The crew was buried in Venlo.....perhaps somebody can check the Mob.-Number? Might be a KG 3 number....
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Old 10th April 2015, 08:22
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MOB number 53578 was 3./Erg.KGr. 2.

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Old 12th April 2015, 13:03
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

Thanks for the help John and Matti. It seems there are a few possible options.

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Old 12th April 2015, 18:20
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Re: Unknown Airman 'Karl'?

"Karle" certainly is his pet name from being a child. Remember the photograph is dedicated to his aunt and uncle. "Karl" definitely is his christian name.

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Old 12th April 2015, 19:37
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Indeed !

Must confirm this as German language native.

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