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Old 1st November 2019, 02:36
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Hello

Looking at the other side of the possible combat, as far as I am aware there were no Axis losses near Cyprus on that date, is anyone aware of any?. Also as their is no identification as to what type of aircraft may have been intercepted, then it could be either the Italians or the Germans. The normal recce staffel 2(F)./123 did not lose an a/c. There are recce a/c claims all around the eastern med right into 1944, but none on this date that I have come across

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Old 2nd November 2019, 00:27
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Gentlemen,

is anybody aware of the exact crashplace location of Paterson's Spitfire? I have family in the Larnaca area. Maybe it is possible to ask around and find some clues locally?

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Old 3rd November 2019, 06:38
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Hello Kurtl12,
From post 1.

" Shot down in the Larnaca Foothills near Parcata, Cyprus, buried Nicosia. "

May help you pin down an area to look at ?

Alex

PS - just for info.
Air Brits EA100-EZ999.
1988 edition does not have EN209 entry.
2010 edition has - "EN209 - Crashed near Laranagate, 30-12-42".

[ See posts 15 and 16 below for correction of EN209 - Should have read as ER209 ].

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Old 9th November 2019, 10:21
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Alex, I did study all data shown here but I think "Parcata" and "Laranagate" are not right spelled or vanished in today's maps. These towns or areas are completly unknown to me. I even consulted some older maps here: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7450m....,0.266,0.151,0
Maybe it's my fault but I am not able to locate these areas. I have no clue where to start at. Can anyone help here? Thanks, K.
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Old 9th November 2019, 11:50
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

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Hello Kurtl12,
From post 1.

" Shot down in the Larnaca Foothills near Parcata, Cyprus, buried Nicosia. "

May help you pin down an area to look at ?

Alex

PS - just for info.
Air Brits EA100-EZ999.
1988 edition does not have EN209 entry.
2010 edition has - "EN209 - Crashed near Laranagate, 30-12-42".
Alex,

The reason you couldn't find Spitfire EN209 in the 1988 edition of A-B's EA100-EZ999, is that it never existed! The serial EN209 fell within a Spitfire IX/XII black-out block. Ditto the 2010 edition. The serial we're dealing with here is Spitfire IX ER209.

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Old 9th November 2019, 16:25
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Thanks Col,
Had mixed it up again
Should have been ER209

Ist edition has ER209 - NA - SOC 31.1.43.
2nd edition has ER209 - 417 - Crashed near Laranagate, 30.12.42.

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Old 10th November 2019, 03:56
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Hi,

On 30 December 1942 a Ju 88 2.(F)/123 flew a mission to Beirut and Cyprus between 07:40 and 12:43, and was over Larnaca at 10:20, where no shipping was seen.

A second Ju 88 of 2.(F)/123 flew a mission to the west and north coasts of Cyprus between 10:02 and 14:09.

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Old 11th November 2019, 00:27
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Re: No.417 Sqn RCAF loss, 30-12-1942 (Cyprus)

Andrew,

Thanks for that informative and most interesting piece of information.

I did check my copy of Byron Tesapsides, Die Deutsche Luftwaffe In Greichenland Im II. Wk.(2015) on 2.(F)/123 (pp.90-4). There was no mention of any losses, combats or claims on 30 December, 1942.

And thanks once again to all the others who have helped.

Col.
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