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Old 16th July 2018, 22:08
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Spitfire chased over Italy on 7. & 16.1.1944

Hi all,

I am trying to identify the Axis pursuers when the RAF Spitfire PR has been chased in two cases:

7. 1. 1944 at sometime between 09.30-12.30 over Italian town Ferentino by 5 unidentified single engine aircraft.

I am interested if they were from Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana or Luftwaffe and if no chance for the particular identification, would be possible to identify the unit at least? I would see JG4, JG 27, JG51, JG 53 or JG77 as possible candidates.

16. 1. 1944 at sometime between 08.55-12.25 over Italian town Centocelle by two Bf 109.

I am also interested in indetification in this case.

The Spitfire escaped unscratched in both cases so I am afraid there will be very little chance to find out anything in Axis records.
Anyway I will be very thankful for any additional information and/or confirmation/exclusion of any unit.


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Old 3rd February 2019, 17:26
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Re: Spitfire chased over Italy on 7. & 16.1.1944

Hi all,

the RAF pilot has sketched marking of one Bf 109 met on 16.1.1944 over Centocelle as follows:




Anyone would be able to help me with identification of the unit?
It looks to me like a marking of Stab I./JG 4 but it was used on Bf 109 in 1942 and in 1944 the Stab had already Fw 190.

Any ideas much appreciated.


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Re: Spitfire chased over Italy on 7. & 16.1.1944

Pavel,

Stab I./JG 4 was not equipped with Fw 190 A while the Gruppe was deployed in Italy, or ever if I remember correctly.

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Re: Spitfire chased over Italy on 7. & 16.1.1944

Thnak you Sinisa, so I would suppose the idea with Stab I./JG 4 might be correct in my further research.

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Re: Spitfire chased over Italy on 7. & 16.1.1944

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Pavel,

Stab I./JG 4 was not equipped with Fw 190 A while the Gruppe was deployed in Italy, or ever if I remember correctly.

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Exclusively Bf 109s. However Stab SG 4 had Fw 190s, as did I. and II./SG 4.
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Re: Spitfire chased over Italy on 7. & 16.1.1944

Thank you Nick for confirmation. I hope my collegue Jan Bobek who has been in tocuh with you regarding this matter will be able to find something more based on info you have kindly provided to him.



So now I will just keep my fighers crossed.



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