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Final tally for JG52 ?
The claims are over 10,000...
Do we have information/opinions what the actual kills were ? How accurate is this number? |
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Final tally for JG 52?
Hello tmoj2000
Here is a list that I have come across of the final victory totals of the various fighter units. Although the author admitted that it was based on dated material it should be reasonable close to the actual number of victories. JG 52...11,000 / 10,500 (10,200 on Eastern Front) JG 54....9,500 / 9,450 (8,750 on Eastern Front including strafing attacks) JG 51....9,000 / 9,350 (8,435 on Eastern Front) JG 3.....6,300 / 5,860 (4,810 on Eastern Front) JG 53....4,000 / 4,100 (1,685 on Eastern Front) JG 77....4,000 / 4,505 (2,830 in Russia and 497 in Africa) JG 5.....3,500 / 3,300 (3,000 on Eastern Front) JG 27....2,800 / 3,033 (270 on Eastern Front) JG 26....2,700 / 2,500 (including 189 claims on Eastern Front) JG 2.....2,500 / 2,400 JG 1.....1,500 JG 11....1,200 JG 6.....1,100 JG 300...1,000 JG 4.......600 JG 7.......400 / ~430 (~20 on Eastern Front) JG 301....231 JG 302....214 JV 44.......50 NJG 1......2,173 night and 145 day claims Horrido! Leo |
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
Thanks Leo
I did the math with your data taking the lower figure for the claims and came up with a total of about 60,000 of which 40,000 on the eastern front...... The figures I have for combat losses of the USSR is in the range of 45,000-50,000...Of course one would have to account for losses due to Flak, axis minors air and other causes. But overall this would more or less be consistant with your data, with perhaps an overclaim in the range of 10-20% The US admits to losing about 20,000 planes to the germans (all causes)... I dont have the figures for the RAF, I would assume that their losses would at least equal those of the US (on one hand they eventually had less planes than the US but on the other hand they had been fighting for 2.5 years more than the US)... So the 20,000 figure for luftwffe fighter kills on the western front seems also plausible, especially when you factor in losses from other countries (France, Belgium etc....) |
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
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Do you know to what extent any of this has been cross checked with Soviet loss records ? I am concerned by the fact that quite often "overclaims" can be as high as 100% or more (in any air force). |
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
Common ratio for german overclaim on the east is about 1,2 ~2,5 : 1, depends on year and sircumstances...
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
RAF losses approximate 22,000. Of which 8,500 were in Bomber Command.
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
Maybe Nikita can give an answer on this question for the eastern front and some one else the western front since JG52 did serve on both. If the German pilot attacked and the plane went down but forced landed and was later recovered to be placed back in service. Did that show up on the lost list or only the damaged? I've wondered how many of the forced landed aircraft were skipped over by researchers as not a valid claim.
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Re: Final tally for JG52 ?
Michael,
I suppose there could be no exact answer on this. To my mind the majority of planes damaged in combats and later written off or repaired, were listed as German fighters victories. Quote:
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