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Old 10th September 2018, 16:10
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Interesting also that Cleas profile have the wings or just the engines in 81/82/76 and the fuselage in 74/75/76 with 83 over that.[/quote]

Yes, very interesting! Given the early production WN.r, the use of mid-war greys makes sense. While I am in love with that interpretation, I do think that the uppersurface base colors look rather dark and low-contrast. To my eyes, the tone of the squiggly mottle is somewhat darker than the base uppersurface colors, though not by much. This might suggest the use of RLM 81 (83?) and 71. Aesthetically, however, I much prefer Claes's interpretation. It's beautiful.

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Old 10th September 2018, 18:55
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Maybe the pictures are going to be published very soon and Claes did prepare a profile for that ...
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Old 10th September 2018, 19:13
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If he would tell me his interpretation of what he sees, I may be able to track down the real WN. I have a sizeable data base. Thanks Jon!
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Excellent question. I'm assuming Claes would have consulted with someone. Perhaps he got in touch with Jean Yves Lorant?
...they are old colleagues from the French edition of the JG 300 opus. So yes...
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Old 12th September 2018, 10:55
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Re: Me 262 B3+AL Question

So I sent Claes an email, and he kindly responded.

"Great to hear from a fellow enthusiast, especially one who enjoys my work.

To your question, the profile is well documented in a photo, perhaps you already have seen it on the net, however I have not access to the W.Nr. as Lorant, (the guy who bought the photo) has commissioned another artist for the publishing. The 170099 is just a qualified guess, as this machine is an early, originally gray painted Me 262.

And be sure I will publish this stunning profile in one of my planned profile books, however with the researched and correct W.Nr."
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Old 12th September 2018, 10:56
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If he would tell me his interpretation of what he sees, I may be able to track down the real WN. I have a sizeable data base. Thanks Jon!
You're very welcome.
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Old 12th September 2018, 13:27
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Re: Me 262 B3+AL Question

Gentlemen,

Before the rumor becomes reality, a small correction: "The guy who bought the original photo" did not commission any artist to make a color profile of the Me 262 Anton Luise.

Claes Sundin's artwork is very nice but does not match with the real photo. Two important details are wrong and the Werk Nummer is fictive. The camouflage pattern is also an artist's view and we can not blame Claes who had only a bad eBay image as working basis and did nevertheless a great job.

The only progress compared to the first drawing is to have seen that the black letter L is the same size as the yellow A.

The photo will surely be published one of the days. Just be patient...

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Old 12th September 2018, 14:32
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Jean-Yves, would you mind saying which of the WN numbers you can read? I may be able to track it down.
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Old 12th September 2018, 16:56
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Hi Dan,

The Werk Nummer digits are partially lost in the camouflage and in the grain of the photographic emulsion. Keep in mind that this photo is just 6 x 9 cm, imagine the importance of grain on such a small photo. There are barely three visible digits. Sorry - your attempt will be too speculative to be historically acceptable.

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So three of the digits are visible. That's at least something. May we please know what they are?
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