JG 51 victories (Part 2)

[Nick Hector]

In the Stalingrad sector at the time... Whoa... I did not know that...
So this is perhaps one of the less reliable sources that www.allaces.ru refers to in some instances?

[Nokose]

10 Sep 1942
204 BAD bombing German artillery and mortar batteries at Sharlaevo and Gruzdeva. Nine Pe-2 bombers from the 6 BAP took off at 07:24 (M). Bombed from a height of 2400 m. Bombs fell on the eastern and southern outskirts of Gruzdeva. On withdrawn attacked by Bf 109 (Soviet sources claim 17 fighters involved. They claimed to have shot down 2 Me-109 and 4 He-113, damaged 1 Me-109).
6 BAP (from 1 & 2 AE) losses:
Pe-2 (dep. AE co.) Kapt. Boris Viktorovich Alekseev (KIA -A/B)
Pe-2 (Fl. co.) Lt. Aleksandr Mikhaylovich Tkachenko (MIA)
Pe-2 (# 18/80) (Fl. co.) Lt. Vyacheslav Mikhaylovich Chernysheev (Surv.) but 2 crew KIA.
Pe-2 Serzhant Vladimir Nikololaevich Volkov (MIA)

Stab IV/JG 51 Lt. Horst Haase Pe-2 (12) 07:05 47661
11./JG 51 Lt. Wolfgang Böwing-Treuding Pe-2 (31) 07:08 47843
10/JG 51 Lt. Rolf Kickert Pe-2 (8) 07:13 47843
11/JG 51 Uffz Helmut Holtz Pe-2 (1) 07:24 47872
7./JG 51 Fw. Gunther Schack Pe-2 (14) 07:10 9 km. SW of Zubtsov

[Nick Hector]

I have been trying to determine: was Muencheberg's Pe-2 claim at 0709hrs tied in with these losses or was it from 10 ORAP? Crew of Leytenant Vasily Pavlovich Sazonov failed to return this date

[Nokose]

Stab/JG 51 Hptm. Joachim Münchcheburg Pe-2 (104) 07:09 PlQu. 47762/ SSE of Zubtsov could be tied into it. Seems when to many units or Staffel in this case did over claim. There were also two losses from air battles in JG 51 this day but the circumstances and times I don't know.

Also this day another bomber raid was intercepted belonging to 204 BAD.
Pe-2 38 BAP (Fl. co.) Lt. Ivan Lazarevich Pal'tsev (MIA)
Pe-2 38 BAP (Fl. co.) Serzhant Mikhail Ivanovich Evseev (MIA)
Pe-2 38 BAP St. Serzh. Dmitriy Evdokimovich Bitsenko (MIA)

7./JG 51 Max Bärmoseer Pe-2 (1) 16:27 46224
9./JG 51 Lt. Martin Jüstel Pe-2 (3) 16:35 46191
10./JG 51 Lt. Rolf Kickert Pe-2 (9) 16:35 46291

Not a part of this interception:
7./JG 51 Fw. Gunther Schack Pe-2 (15) 16:28 15 km NE of Gshatsk.

[Nokose]

My friend Cyril Kirche in Moscow sent me a copy of the magazine Герои Неба Военнфя Археология 4 [20] 2013 with an article by Ruslan Lukashev "And the Sky Wept With Snow" about the group he is with that recovers the shot down remains of the aircraft and aviators both Russian and German from WW2. There are many such groups and men in Russia that do this to give a proper closure to families and to honor the fallen. In this instance they recovered a Soviet LaGG-3 in the winter time in the forest near a small village.

09 Aug 1943
He-111 raid in the region of Kurdyuki
Losses of the 523 IAP
LaGG-3 (# 2924) Serzhant Mikhail Ivanovich Korotaev (KIA)
LaGG-3 (# 3087) Kapt. Mikhail Georgievich Kuz'kin (KIA)

12/JG 51 Lt. Ernst Weismann
LaGG-3 (64) 14:52 PlQu. 46262
LaGG-3 (65) 14:54 PlQu. 56121

In this instance M.I. Korotaev was given a military funeral and his family was there.

[Nick Hector]

Hi,

Just to confirm: I believe the dates for those ones was actually 9th August 1942, rather than 1943.

Nick

[Nokose]

Yes, 1942

[kirche]

Hello, I want to specify
- "magazine Герои Неба Военнфя Археология" - it's magazine "Military archeology", topic "Heroes of the Sky"
- LaGG-3 of M.I.Korotaev it was found in the winter of 2013 at a depth of 5 meters to the south of a square 35ost 46262 (northern part 46264)
- LaGG-3 of M.G.Kuz'kin it was found in the 1990th years (it is finally investigated in the summer of 2012) to the southwest a square 35ost 56121 (northeast part 56142). The remains of the Navigator 523 IAP 234 IAD were buried with military honors in December, 2013 (the pilot's relatives within two years didn't manage to be found)

Also I will add:
07.08.42 Ltn. Ernst Weismann 12./JG 51 MiG-3 - 56 154: at 300 m. 14.35
For 90% it's loss: Yak-1 (#5083) 32 IAP 201 IAD of Colonel Leonid Grigoryevich Kuldin, Deputy Commander 1VA.
The plane is found near the village of Titovka (southeast part 56142), the pilot jumped out with a parachute, but died, he is buried in Moscow with military honors.

13.08.42 Ltn. Ernst Weismann 12./JG 51 (69, Rk) MiA after air combat with fighters: 9 km to the north (according to other data to the northeast) Rzhev - Bf-109F-2 WNr.5496 Braune 12 +
It most likely a victory of the captain Pyotr Sergeyevich Ovcharov, the commander of the first squadron 157 IAP (on Hurricanes) 256 IAD 3 VA
This day (morning) the group of four Hurricanes to the northeast of Rzhev was attacked twice by single Bf-109. After that the commander of group attacked and shot down his in 8 km to the north Rzhev, the pilot of Bf-109 went down on a parachute. Its destiny isn't known - "He is not captured".
In the "Bote von der Ybbs" newspaper (Austria) of September, 1942 it is also told that Weismann's plane was shot down in fight with the Soviet fighters and the pilot jumped out with a parachute.

Best regards,
Kirill

[Nokose]

09 Mar 1943 09:04 (M) - . Planned attack on the Orel airfield (southwest) by 5 Il-2 from the 825 ShAP led by Mayor Prokorov and escorted by 6 Yak-1 from the 286 IAD. They crossed the front line near Zalegoshch' at 600 m. but rose to 1500 - 2000 m. at the Optukha River but went back to 200 m. Soviet report states they were then attacked by 5 Bf 109 while the fighter escort was intercepted by another group of German fighters. The Il-2s then turned back towards the front line. May. Prokorov was first shot down and made an emergency landing on his fuselage 8 km south of Zagegoshch', he returned to his unit on the 13th.
825 ShAP losses:
Il-2 May. Prokorov
Il-2 S-t. Mikhail Aleksandrovich Kuznetsov (MIA)
Il-2 St. S-t. Vasiliy Ivanovich Ivlev (MIA)
Il-2 S-t. Egor Egorovich Ekimov (MIA)
Il-2 S-t. Aleksandr Vasil'evich Pomazkin (MIA)

German claims:
2./JG 51 Lt. Joachim Brendel Il-2 (22) 07:27 35 Ost/63244
Il-2 (23) 07:32 "/63433
2./JG 51 Uffz. Klaus Dietrich Il-2 (3) 07:29 "/63244
7./JG 51 Lt. Gunther Schack Il-2 (41) 07:33 "/63251 22 km SW Novosil'
Il-2 (42) 07:36 "/ " 22 km SW Novosil'

[Nick Hector]

Thanks a lot, Michael. Keep them coming, this one has been a big help to me.