The Eagles Over Europe Project

[edNorth]

In my opinion, aircraft in question is not "4D+AH" and (Z)/KG 30 had been reserved staffel letter "H" - should be either 4D+AK or 4D+AL - but hard to tell, poor quality here - more likely 4D+AK (light red front half of spinners ?) I think damage be light (under 10%), likely never got into loss reports.

Ed

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

Can anyone provide the first names of the two crewmen in our EoE LW loss entry below:

"3 September 1939: Stab KG77 Dornier Do17E. Port engine and wing tanks badly damaged in attack by Ppor. Marian Trzebinski of 161 EM over Chojnie, south-west of Lodz, and belly-landed at Neuhof, near Kreuzburg, 11.10 hrs. (Beo) Oberlt [ ] Otolski, (Ff) Oberlt [ ] Kaschna and rest of crew unhurt. Aircraft 3Z+FA damaged but repairable."

[Chris Goss]

Oskar Otolsky & Willy Kaschner???

[lilsis]

Hi,


Beobachter Oskar Otolski < correct spelling
* 02.12.1913 Aissehnen
+22.04.1945 near Pardubitz , RK 30.04.1945

[Larry Hickey]

Chris & lilsis,

Thanx for your inputs. I've passed these on to Peter who is vacationing in France. Anybody else got anything to add?

Regards,

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

For profile purposes for the EoE Project we've got to locate an original print of this photo which shows a line up of Bf110s of Stab V.(Z)/LG1 (L1+XB & L1+YB) and, in the background, 3M+AA of the Gesch Stab of ZG2. The latter a/c is the Bf110, of Maj Friedrich Vollbracht, Geschwader Kommodore. We believe that this was taken at Ste Marie AF, near Chevigny, Belgium, sometime between 20 and 24 May 1940, the only period when these two units were apparently co-located together at this location. We're working on a profile series of the a/c of Stab ZG2, and need to be able to make a very high res image of Vollbracht's a/c to be able to view it in some detail. It appears to have had the fuselage sides over-sprayed with light blue (65) mottling.

We've searched for an original print of this photo through numerous collections, but only know of one place where this was published in a book, which is the source of this image. We're not aware of this being in the BA, ECPA or SH-D official collections, nor any of several major private collections that we've had access to, including that of Ludwig von Eimannsberger and John Vasco.

I'm also seeking photos of other Stab ZG2 aircraft during the period 01.04.40 (when the unit was activated) to the end of 09.40, when it was disbanded to become a night fighter unit. We have three photos of what is probably this same a/c force-landed on 04.09.40 in West Sussex during the Battle of Britain, piloted by the Gesch Adj. Those are the only other Stab ZG2 Bf110 photos of which we are aware.

Who can help us?

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-VBT...-VBT4vFd-L.jpg

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

I've now located a better copy of this photo that was posted with an eBay auction about early April of 2004, some ten years ago. So a print of this is probably out there in the community somewhere. I don't know who either the original seller or the eBay buyer was. It provides a considerably better image of 3M+AA in the background, but I still need to locate an original print and scan that a/c at 600dpi to get a best image to work with for our profile. No question that a heavy overspray of 65 (light blue) had been applied to the side of the a/c, and a thicker black outline was added to the fuselage crosses.

Does anyone have an original print of this photo from which I can get a very high resolution, close-up image of 3M+AA?

Note that the caption, which indicates that this is certainly a PK photo released to the press, says that this is in France, but I still think that this is at Ste. Marie, Chevigny, AF, Belgium. If anyone has evidence to the contrary that would place this later in France, I'd appreciate seeing it.

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-Tzv...-TzvwgC6-L.jpg

[ClinA-78]

Hi Larry,

I have visited the spot some weeks ago (end of May...). I confirm this is it. I found also bits of an Bf 110 crash-landed nearby.
There is a local publication, recently released, about it; showing those 110.

If interested, more to follow.

Best regards

ClinA-78

[Larry Hickey]

ClinA-78,

Thanx for responding. I appreciate your confirming this location. Yes, I'm interested in anything more that you can tell me, including any information that you have on the Bf110 that crashed nearby.

I'll await further word from you.

[ClinA-78]

Hello Larry,

Here are two extracts of a recent book about May 1940 in the area. Sorry, I have only some bad copy sheets.
Here are the Bf 110's in Ourt-Sainte-Marie.