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Old 11th December 2017, 16:15
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Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

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I am going through a Flugbuch relating to 5./SKG 210 and have found a couple of references in late 1941 to air battles with 'J 18'. I cannot find any reference to this aircraft type and wondered if anyone can identify what this might be.

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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

Hello Tim,

there were different designations for the same type. In this case I-200, I-17 and I-18 for MiG-1.
Source: JFV part 6/I page 11.

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Old 11th December 2017, 17:50
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

Thanks Leo. Unfortunately I know next to nothing about Russian aircraft!
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

It might also have something to do with how things sound in German. I've seen Yak-1 (as it would be in English) reported as Jak-1 for example, and Jl-2 for Il-2.
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

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It might also have something to do with how things sound in German. ... and Jl-2 for Il-2.
This hasn't to do how sounds things in German --- J is the handwritten form of the letter I (and the printed J) and I is the printed form of the letter I.
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

Thanks again gentlemen.
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

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This hasn't to do how sounds things in German --- J is the handwritten form of the letter I (and the printed J) and I is the printed form of the letter I.
And in the case of Jak/Yak … ?
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

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And in the case of Jak/Yak … ?
Hi Nick

For what it is worth, my experience is also that a number of spellings in Flugbuche reflect German phonetics, particularly Russian place names, which can almost magically appear if we replace J with Y and Z with TS, etc.
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Re: Luftwaffe Designation for Russian Aircraft as 'J-18'

Sometimes the search function helps, too.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=164570
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Sometimes the search function helps, too.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=164570
Thanks Kazmarek but it was the J reference that threw me.
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