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Old 13th August 2009, 21:11
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Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Hi guys

Details required please regarding the following:

15 November: Ju52 (5729) shot down by AA Sola (6 killed)

18 November He59 (1849) shot down by AA (4 killed)

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Old 14th August 2009, 20:44
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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Evening Brian

Both are mentioned in Foreman's BoB the forgotten months, Nov-Dec 1940
However the He 59 is listed under WNr 1844. How sure are you about WNr 1849??

If you lack what it says (not much) give me shout, OK?

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Old 14th August 2009, 20:53
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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Hi Stig

Thanks for that. I didn't realise Jack had recorded these losses. Any detail on casualties?

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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

BoB states: He 59 WNr 1844 D5+KD of SNFlKdo 5. crashed at Aalborg/List. Fw Franz Wrobel and crew killed.

I have the Skz as DS+KD (as does the LEMB database) and no Vkz.

Further to this I have the crew as:
Fw Wilhelm Struck (F)
Fw Franz Wrobel (B) - as far as I'm aware the only body recovered
Uffz Alfred Scherff (Bf)
Fw Erhard Süssmann (Bm)

An SOS signal was received that read "SOS we really need help. We are leaving the aircraft"
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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Hi Members

I tought D5+ was used by NJG 3

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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Thanks Adam & Peter

Another gap filled in my research.

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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Just came back from holidays and I can add the following about the He 59:

He 59D W.Nr. 1844 St.Kz. DS+HD Shot down by Beaufighters from No. 22 Sq. RAF while in transit from Aalborg to List. I have 17.11.40 as loss date.
On December 9, 1940, the plane was caught by a fishing net and brought ashore. Nothing was found about the crew. The plane belonged to Seenotflugkdo. 5.
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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Brian according to Luft QM's returns dated 18-11-40 there is Ju 52 wn 5729 of Transportstaffel See on F shot down Stavanger Sola 15-11-40 while on Transportflug for K.Fl.Gp 406. F Ogef Fritz Rottgen ( umlaut over o) Bm Uffz Eduard Rathje, Bf Gef Wilhelm Herrmann, Bs Uffz Heinrich Osterheld ( umlaut over O) F Uffz Paul Stephan (name ruled out and later note streiche vermisst), Reg Insp Thielke (name added in hand and subject to admendment). All crew noted as missing but it looks like Rathje and Herrmann are changed to dead. Might be worth checking names under the Grave search or under the ' Deutsche Flieger unter dem Nordlicht ' site .
In admendments Fw. Paul Stephan is shown as belonging to I/406 and Insp Thielke as K.Fl.Gp.706 both missing. Uffz Rathje is noted as dead in QM's returns dated 25-11-1942 and Uffz. Herrmann in returns dated 7-6-1942.
Anyone know whether 5729 was a Ju52 Floatplane?

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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Many thanks Seaplanes (hope you had a nice holiday!) and Brian

Most interesting - at least I now have additional information.

Seaplanes - why should the He59 loss allegedly shot down by German AA fire now be credited to Beauforts of 22 Squadron? Assuming there was much confusion at the time.

Seaplanes - you may have missed these enquiries:

13 April 1940: BV138 (0150) 9/108 damaged by AA and force-landed Bergen

17 April 1940: BV138 KGzbV.108 damaged by AA and force-landed Sola.


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Re: Ju52 & He59 shot down November 1940

Hi.

The loss of the He 59 listed as follows:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=115200

Doesn't seem to be much confusion as to the loss reason in this record.

The Ju 52 as follows:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=115208

Please note the number of corrections and amendments regarding this loss!

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