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Old 26th February 2020, 21:23
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Ju 88 A-7 2177 FFS-B-7

Seeking crew listing for this aircraft reported shot down 27th January 1944 and confirmation of the Bm and Bs reported as lost in the shooting down of Ju 88 A-7 3713 shot down the same day . I have the article 'Les Unites De Seconde Ligne De La Luftwaffe En France ' but have difficulty with the crew names in the article against names given on the Grabesuche site e.g. Fw Gerhard Meindl in the article I believe is Fw Gerhard Meinel in the grave list ,

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Old 26th February 2020, 22:30
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Re: Ju 88 A-7 2177 FFS-B-7

Flugzeuge WNr. Plane Commander/Pilot FF or vics Gruppe Staffel KG Nummer Farbe Kennummer Stammkennzeichen Markings Date Remarks Other Comments Front References See Also Locale Bruch % H/F Crew Time Build Info
Ju 88A-7 2177 Landendörfer, Uffz. Alois Flzg.Führ.Sch. (B) 7 KE+PF 27-Jan-44 Killed with crew due to enemy fighters. Lfl.3/FR BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/777, Flzg.Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.173; BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/784, Flzg.Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.53; Avions #77 (Aug. 99), p.56 Medcalf nordostwärts Clermont-Ferrand 100% H Bm Fw. Gerhard Meindl, Sch Fhr. Peter Melhose & Sch Fhr. Adolf Monick Arado Flzg.Werke Brandenburg in Sep-40
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Old 27th February 2020, 06:57
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Hello Brian,

Excerpt from Point Blank:

FFS B 7 / Junkers Ju 88 A-7 / # 882177 / KE + EF / Practice Flight / Shot down by Mosquito - Pilot Officer Caine or possibly Flight Lieutenant Johnson - 418. Sqn. (RCAF) / Crashed near Saint-André-le-Coq, 30 Km northeast Clermont-Ferrand (Région Rhône-Alpes) - France / Unteroffizier Alois Landenhöfer (FF) + Feldwebel Gerhard Meindl + Fähnrich Peter Melhose + Fähnrich Adolf Monick - all KIA

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Old 27th February 2020, 08:46
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Re: Ju 88 A-7 2177 FFS-B-7

I have the following crew:
Fluglehrer Uffz Lanzendörfer, Alois
Flugschüler Fhr Mehlhose, Peter
Flugschüler Fhr Mönig, Adolf
Bordfunker Fw Meinel, Gerhard

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Old 27th February 2020, 11:45
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Re: Ju 88 A-7 2177 FFS-B-7

So was this:
2177,

or 882177
or 0882177?
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Old 27th February 2020, 11:56
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Re: Ju 88 A-7 2177 FFS-B-7

Thank you all for the information . From the combat report I would assume F/L Johnson shot down 2177 he said his victim exploded in the air while F/O Caine reported one man baling out from his victim making 3713 his likely victory . The only crew information I have for the 3713 crew was from Avions which showed Bm Uffz Rolf Scharfe and Flugschuler Fhr Harold Bartel as being killed.

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Old 27th February 2020, 19:40
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Re: Ju 88 A-7 2177 FFS-B-7

#5 - reason #1 for sticking to the WNr. as reported (in the case the WNr.2177) in a loss. Sometimes the later 88 losses are reported with a leading '88', sometimes not. Making assumptions on a number could eventually create more problems than it resolves.
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