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Old 3rd July 2012, 22:27
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Hello I'm Gil, from France and looking for information Relates to a JU-88 crew loss in October 1943 in south of Paris.

16th October 1943 Sqn Ldr PG Thornton Brown shot down a German plane near grid ref 144 375 of the German Luftwaffe unit IV/KG6, shot down near Chevannes, Uffz Trocka and crew all Killed. Also one shot down at Mennecy Ogefr Guzi and one crew member Other Killed and Wounded one.

Do you have information about these two teams? If you have pictures or more that would be great
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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

Kills for 2 Ju 88s were filed by Thornton Brown, Flt Lt J R Baldwin and L E Smith of 609 Sqn. The ac were Ju 88 A-14, 141735 Uffz Karl Hoffmann, Ogefr Erich Heye, Gefr Fritz Straub & Ogefr Dominik Guzi which crashed at Mennecy; A-14, 144375, Chevannes Uffz Gerhard Trocka, Uffz Rudolf Sander, Gefr Erich Sieger & Ogefr Wilhelm Tautner. I have photos of the RAF personnel but not the German
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Thank you for this information.

You have more information about the crew disappeared chevannes? are they all dead? If so is that one has an idea of where they are buried?
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Old 4th July 2012, 10:22
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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

im looking for too the German Luftwaffe unit IV/KG6 do you have something more
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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

I have:
1943-10-16, 11./KG 6, Ju 88A-14, 144357, Fontenay, 9 km südlich Bretigny, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Trocka, Gerhard, +
Kampfbeobachter Uffz Sander, Rudolf, +
Bordfunker Gefr Sieger, Erich, +
Bordschütze Ogfr Trautner, Wilhelm, +
144375 went missing 1943-08-13 (8./KG 26)

1943-10-16, 12./KG 6, Ju 88A-14, 1735, Chevannes, 2 km südlich Mennecy bei Bretigny, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Hoffmann, Karl-Ludwig, verletzt
Kampfbeobachter Ogfr Hege, Erich, verletzt
Bordfunker Ogfr Straub, Franz, verletzt
Bordschütze Ogfr Gucy, Dominik, +
I believe, that 141735 cannot be correct. I have no WNr. between 141283 and 142001. Probably correct could be Ju 88A-4, (88)1735?

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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

Matti

Jan Horn in his Wir flogen gen Westen Vol 2 states the same data as you do

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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

WNr. 1735 was previously reported on 20-Aug-42 as a Ju 88A-4 which suffered undercarriage damage during landing while with KüFlGr. 106. Assessed as 15% loss.
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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

1943-10-16, 11./KG 6, Ju 88A-14, 144357, Fontenay, 9 km südlich Bretigny, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Trocka, Gerhard, +
Kampfbeobachter Uffz Sander, Rudolf, +
Bordfunker Gefr Sieger, Erich, +
Bordschütze Ogfr Trautner, Wilhelm, +
144375 went missing 1943-08-13 (8./KG 26)


wonder where is this Fontenay ...


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Re: JU 88 lost in france oct 1943

How about Fontenay-le-Vicomte, 9 km südöstlich Brétigny-sur-Orge?

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