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Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, 4 Panczel Imre claims
Can you add info of these claims with russian losses?
Panczel Imre, hungarian pilot 16.12.42 . Slt Il 2 . Me 109F4 1/1 FS Pilote URSS 4 16.12.42 . Slt Il 2 . Me 109F4 1/1 FS Pilote URSS 5 16.12.42 . Slt Il 2 . Me 109F4 1/1 FS Pilote URSS 6 16.12.42 . Slt Il 2 . Me 109F4 1/1 FS Pilote URSS 7 Podgarnoje / Kamenka sector http://www.cieldegloire.com/008_panzel.php regards
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, 4 Panczel Imre claims
B. Stenge Csaba, Hungarian AF researcher gives a different victory list for Pánczél Imre:
1-August 6, 1942 (Sov. fighter) Uriv? 2-October 30, 1942 (IL-2) Ostrogozsk-N 3-October 31, 1942 (IL-2) Alekseevka-E 4-October 31, 1942 (IL-2) Alekseevka-E 5-December 16, 1942 (IL-2) Pavlovsk-S 6-December 16, 1942 (IL-2) Pavlovsk-S On December 16, 1942 the Soviets launched the "Little Saturn" offensive on the front of the 8th Italian Army. In the area the Hungarian fighters downed 4 IL-2s indeed, but only 2 were downed by Pánczél, not 4. The other 2 went down to his wingman, Bánlaky György fhdgy. (1Lt.) The IL-2s probably belonged to 17 VA, 3 SAK. Gabor |
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Re: Il-2 losses on 16.12.42, 4 Panczel Imre claims
hi,
many thanks for your info, always help a lot, kind regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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