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Old 17th April 2018, 22:04
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MACR Notation ?

Hello,
In an MACR hand written annotations made beside both pilot and Co-pilot.
What is (N.AG) an abbreviation of ?

(N.AG) would I think normally mean Nose.Air Gunner or perhaps Navigator Air Gunner ?
But as said this refers to both pilot and Co-pilot, who were first (MIA) then (N.AG) finally both returned (.Rtd).

It could also be "Not a Gain" but it was as they both returned.

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Old 17th April 2018, 23:17
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Re: MACR Notation ?

Alex, what is the MACR number or the plane serial number, I would like to take a look.
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Old 18th April 2018, 01:09
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Re: MACR Notation ?

Hello ,
Not much to see, only four pages, 13981 OK fold3.
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Old 18th April 2018, 02:33
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Re: MACR Notation ?

I think it might be "N.AF" or "N.AFo" or N.AFr" meaning "Now (in the ) Air Force". Both of the men Rodreick and Zukowski went on to serve in the Air Force (which became a separate service in 1947). Rodreick retired in 1960 and Zukowski served in both Korea and Viet Nam.

For those without Fold3 access, here is a description of what is on the MACR page.

The notation appears to relate to a column headed "Current Status". All of the nine men (three officers and six enlisted men) originally had MIA (typed) in that column. All of the men have the notation RTD (Returned to Duty) hand written in the right margin of the page. Then for five of the nine men listed, someone, at some point went back and wrote "N.AF" in front of the MIA for the pilot and co-pilot and for three of the enlisted men actually crossed out MIA and wrote in RMC (Returned to Military Control) in front of the crossed out MIA.

Zukowski's grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...thony-zukowski

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Old 18th April 2018, 03:21
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Re: MACR Notation ?

Hello,
Thanks for the info , looks right, I have not come across that before . A late numbered MACR would explain the extra penciled in remarks.
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Old 18th April 2018, 11:44
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Re: MACR Notation ?

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I think it might be "N.AF" or "N.AFo" or N.AFr" meaning "Now (in the ) Air Force". Both of the men Rodreick and Zukowski went on to serve in the Air Force. Rodreick retired in 1960 and Zukowski served in both Korea and Viet Nam.
I doubt it is the case.
RTD - returned to duty basically has same meaning as Now in the Air Force.

I guess it could be something else, ie transit through North Africa.
I don't know their case, maybe it could be helpful where did they go.
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Old 18th April 2018, 15:46
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Re: MACR Notation ?

Hello,

Was first thought to read as N.AG so perhaps N.AG or N.AF ?
In the MACR the " . " shown could well be interpreted as a lower case "o" perhaps which could then show the "No" which could read as a "No" or an abbreviation of "North".
The search for the full interpretation is perhaps still open.

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