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Old 1st November 2019, 12:52
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Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hello All,


Currently for sale on ebay at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/orig-Foto-Mi...YAAOSwqIldtDcx


is a photo of a Spad S.VII. The surrounding personnel would appear to indicate that the aircraft shown is either a Serbian (spa.523?) machine or belongs to the SHS airforce. Can anyone advise as to which is correct?


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Clint
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Old 3rd November 2019, 14:06
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Clint. Some good photos and colour here but my Serbo-Croat is a bit rusty !
It says the first two S.VIIs went to Serbia ( N.523) in spring 1917 but they had Nieuports. They kept the French insignia but added unit marking or numbers.
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http://wingsofserbia.com/wp-content/...mple-Pages.pdf
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Old 3rd November 2019, 16:17
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Albin's site includes Franco-Serbian units in the Balkans , start at Escadrille 501. Great site includes colour profiles .
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http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...es_1_a_500.htm
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Old 3rd November 2019, 17:31
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hello Buckeye,


Thanks for the two excellent links. A copy of Wings of Serbia on my Christmas present list, I'm thinking. It looks outstanding.The http://albindenis.free.fr site was also helpful. I'm thinking ,looking at the underwing roundels, that the aircraft on the ebay link is probably from a Franco-Serbian Unit. Pity that its not possible to see the tailplane as the large S in Spad would also have helped to confirm.


Thanks once again.


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Old 6th November 2019, 16:21
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hi Clint. Judging by the vertical rudder stripes I think you can assume it's still in french insignia.
There was an intermediate Serbian cockade between the Balkan War and new post-1918 style, based on the Serbian officer's cap badge ( this one is Peter I 1915) ie. red inner, blue middle and white outer. Can't remember seeing a photo but there is a Serb decal sheet with one ( a SPAD VII).



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Do you mind my asking your interest in Serbia or this SPAD ?

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Old 6th November 2019, 17:29
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hello Nick,


My interest in the Spad and whether it was a Serbian machine or not was just based on a wider interest in WW.I aircraft (although predominantly Germany and A-H). I already had a copy of Srpska avijatika 1912-1918, but couldn't decide whether the ebay photo of the S.VII was serbian or post war without further assistance, hence my question.


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Old 7th November 2019, 14:18
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Clint. I was wondering whether you had seen this list of SPAD serials (and others) on Albin's site ?
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http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...fabricants.htm
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Old 7th November 2019, 20:54
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hi Nick,


Thanks. No I hadn't noticed that site. Tempting, to take a greater interest in french WW.I serial numbers I must admit.No doubt I shall be referring to the site in future.


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Old 11th November 2019, 19:35
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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hello All,


A better view of the Spad S.VII now at :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/org-Foto-AK-...EAAOSwW89dySX6


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Re: Spad S.VII Photo SHS or Serbian?

Hi Clint/Nick,

According to soldiers uniforms it seems that post war period is in question.
It could be either Novi Sad or Niš airfield in Serbia...

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Aleks

PS Regarding your interest in WW1 aviation, take a look at https://shop.kagero.pl/en/r-e-p-type...air-force.html
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