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Old 11th June 2020, 22:54
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Unidentified German Biplane

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Currently on ebay. And this is ? :


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-1-WK-Fl...EAAOSwbNte4gYG


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Old 12th June 2020, 08:23
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Re: Unidentified German Biplane

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May be an Italian (SAML, Societa Anonimica mecanica lombarda, Monza)
license built Aviatik B I with water cooled Salmson radial engine.

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Old 12th June 2020, 08:39
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Re: Unidentified German Biplane

Good Morning Jean,


Thanks for the response. It is entirely possible that the machine is a SAML built Aviatik, but the long tailpiece seems to deviate significantly from any Aviatik I 've previously seen, whether from the parent company or SAML. Having said that it does look , to my eyes anyway, Aviatik like around the cockpit area.


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Old 12th June 2020, 12:43
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Re: Unidentified German Biplane

Apologies to All,


No big mystery after all. Its the Aviatik P 19 :


http://www.airwar.ru/enc/law1/aviatikp19.html


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Old 12th June 2020, 17:38
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Re: Unidentified German Biplane

Hello

After digging a bit in the early years of Aviatik (then in Mulhouse, Alsace, but not France at this moment), the photo comes from a serie of shots taken for the factory. The same plane, under a slight different angle, appears in that document written by the local aéro-club, named Aviatik... :
http://www.aviatik68.fr/aerobulle/4/5_oct.pdf
So the plane could be the Aviatik P12, the first prototype of the biplane serie designed by Robert Wild

Other early Aviatik pictures can be found here :
http://victor.stoeffler.pagesperso-o...m/16photos.htm

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Old 12th June 2020, 18:57
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Re: Unidentified German Biplane

Hello Jean,

Thanks for the interesting attachments. I look forward to working my way through the aerobulle attachment imminently.

Interestingly both documents differ on the id of the aircraft with the first going with the P 12, while the Victor Stoeffler document identifies ithe machine as the P 19.

One of the reason's I believe the aircraft is the P 19, apart from the link in my previous post in this thread is because Bruno Lange in Typenhandbuch Luftfahrttechnik P.49 specifically mentions a 130 ps Salmson engine as per the seller's description.

If anyone has a photo of the Aviatik P 12 which differs from the machine shown, it would be interesting to see.

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Old 27th November 2020, 21:10
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Re: Unidentified German Biplane

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photoo f an Aviatik aircraft with a Salmson engine at:


https://www.ebay.fr/itm/AVIATION-Car...4AAOSw4A1fvmtc


It appears to be the Aviatik P 19 in its final form, or so I assume given the number on the fuselage - a racing number pesumably. In any event the tail is different from that shown on the P 19 image shown in the link in the fourth post of this thread.


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