French Beute Aircraft

[Stig Jarlevik]

Ahhh

I should look before writing from memory......
So it was F-APQV and F-APQY which were on loan in France....

Well, at some point, the French stopped to issue their CdN in a straight order, ie following a logic sequence meaning there now are very large gaps in the French civil register.

Most likely they were intended to be filled in at some point but never were, hence most listings keep them even if nothing was ever issued.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are further French beute aircraft as follows:


ANF Les Mureaux 115


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-franzoe...EAAOSwoWBgLkAv


Cierva C.30


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-franzoe...QAAOSw0QlgLj7n

Potez 580/585

https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-franzoe...gAAOSwSUBgLkIU

Potez 600


https://www.ebay.de/itm/FOTO-franzoe...kAAOSwcTJgLj5m

Regia Aeronautica LeO 451


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-L...wAAOSwLIhgLxev


Regards,


Clint

[rof120]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

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Wasn't both F-APQX and Y on loan from Adl'A?
They must both have been much easier to request back....
However I have chosen to keep it with the last letter unknown

Cheers
Stig

Hello Stig. Please don't believe I'm trying to make you feel miserable. I don't think that Armée de l'Air ever was called Adl'A in France. After all I was a combat aircrew with the AA. It was long ago but I don't think AA changed in the meantime similarly with awful German abbreviations during WWII with lots of /, ( ) etc.

Here is an example from today:

Contacts ⋆ L'École de l'airwww.ecole-air-espace.fr › ... › Réglementation
Points de contact DRH-AA/SDEF/BAF/DESC/CELLULE OFFICIERS TOURS. Direction des ressources humaines de l'armée de l'air (DRH-AA) Sous-direction ...

I looked quite hard on the Internet but I never found Adl'A even though foreigners (non-French people) seem to love it.

PS: L'École de l'Air is not a school for children aged 3-10 but it's the French Air Force's officers academy. When they leave it they are promoted to sous-lieutenant and very often pilots (but there are other kinds of officers of course).

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by rof120

Hello Stig. Please don't believe I'm trying to make you feel miserable. I don't think that Armée de l'Air ever was called Adl'A in France. After all I was a combat aircrew with the AA.

I know that already
My friends in France tell me that all the time!

However I have just written it that way for 100+ years (guess I didn't want people to think all French pilots are with the Alcoholic Anonymous and FYI we also use the same short form in Sweden for those who can't stop drinking)

So you can take it any way you like. To me it is a small token of respect!
Cheers
Stig

[rof120]

Oh I see, thanks. There is a problem when you have a good command (or not so good) of several languages for there are innumerable possibilities of coincidences, sometimes not really wanted, like:

AA in Germany is the same as the Swedish baj. (As you know the German A is the same as in Washington or the first a in Galland.)

I often wonder about the reactions of Swedish people living in France (I'm sorry for them) and hearing all the time "Nathalie Baye" (pronounced "baj"), a famous cinema actress, or "la baille" (quite rare in fact because most people say "la flotte" instead, which is wrong) - la baille is sea water. If you want to let a flat or a house you'll have to write a "bail" (say baj), a bail de location (a contract for letting the flat etc.).

There is a river called Prut or Prout in Eastern Europe. The sound of this is the same in Swedish as in French. I'd better stop here.

I fear there are thousands of such collisions between different languages including Spanish, Russian or whatever, you name it. The best solution is to ignore them and to stick to the original version in the (main) country of the language. So I'll stick to AA for Armée de l'Air (after all I am still an AA officer: lieutenant honoraire - not active any more). There are often several different explanations for one single abbreviation anyway.

PS: a last one for those who read English. Perhaps you happen to know the English word "after". In German this word has quite a different meaning, believe me. So it's useless to try to make changes because of such "accidents".

[rof120]

I fear we all forgot a wonderful example of AA. I am the main culprit: stupid rof120.

Did you ever hear of AA in a war? I guess so. It means anti-aircraft (defenses, guns, fire...) not Anonymous Alcoholics or some. Nobody ever suggested to change this abbreviation.

Did you ever change it into something else because of alcohol? Why not At-Act?

I am aware of the Swedish Systembolaget, the state network of shops which has a monopoly for selling any alcohol in Sweden including beer and wine - and rather expensively. So you poor Stig are unhappy and frustrated, and think that any AA must have a connection to alcohol. In France and certainly in many other countries they also have a big problem with alcohol but luckily in spite of this they don't change their air force into a society of alcoholics, which wouldn't be ideal would it.

[rof120]

Just a last little one:

What about American Airlines, aka AA? I just saw that it was the biggest airline company in the world 2018. It seems to be still strong and kicking.

I never heard or read that we shouldn't call them AA because of Alcoholic Anonymous.

There are most probably other meanings to AA. It depends in which field and I think everybody makes the necessary adjustments. So why not Armée de l'Air = AA? There is no reason.

QUOTATION from Wikipedia:

American Airlines, Inc. (AA) is a major American airline headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas, within the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex. It is the world's largest airline when measured by fleet size, scheduled passengers carried, and revenue passenger mile. American, together with its regional partners, operates an extensive international and domestic network with almost 6,800 flights per day to nearly 350 destinations in more than 50 countries.

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are the following French aircraft :


Potez 60


https://www.ebay.de/itm/org-Foto-Fra...gAAOSwGAhgPE80


Romano R.82


https://www.ebay.de/itm/org-Foto-Fra...4AAOSwawxgPE9K


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photoo f a Caudron C.714 captioned as Beute at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/S103-Foto-We...oAAOSwpJNgPhqg


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a DH.60G, or MS.60 named Palombe in German hands at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Frankre...MAAOSwr9RgP9JF


Two questions:


1. Does anyone have any further details of this particular aircraft including its full registration?


2. What is the aircraft to its rear?


TIA,


Clint