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Old 20th May 2019, 19:34
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Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

Hello

I am interested in what kind of education the fledgling Luftwaffe pilot had to go through in order to obtain the Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines (LF)

I have read the book "Die Flugzeugführer - Ausbildung der Deutchen Luftwaffe 1935 - 1945, Band I, Von der Grundausbildung bis zur Blindflugschule" by Carlsen and Meyer.
This is by all means a great book. It does however not go into great detail on what the pilots curriculum was nor how the education was carried out in practice. So that leads me to my first question: Does there excist a book that goes into greater detail about this initial training?

I have found some references to a paper called: "Die flugzeugführerausbildung A/B" by General Major Rath, and I have found the following:

ZA 3/29
Bd. 3: Flugzeugführerausbildung A/B. Studie von Oberst (?) Rath, o.Dat., Anlagen

Bandnummer 3
Enthält :
Gliederung des Stabes der 1. Fliegerschuldivision;
Gliederung der 1. Fliegerschuldivision, Göppingen;
Gliederung einer Flugzeugführerschule A/B;
Zusammenstellung der Schul-, Übungs- und Prüfungsflüge auf A 2-Flugzeugen;
Übersicht über die Unterrichtsstunden und Fächer des A-Lehrstoffes, des B-Lehrstoffes;
Zusammenstellung der Schul-, Übungs- und Prüfungsflüge auf B 1-Flugzeugen und B 2-Flugzeugen;
Zusammenstellung der Flüge in der Kunst- und Verbandsflugausbildung;
Organisation des Ausbildungsdienstes einer Flugzeugführerschule A/B.;
(Verfasser: [Major und Lehrgangsleiter Weldin]), 6. Dez. 1940, mit Anlagen

Unterlagenart: Sachakte
Benutzungsort: Freiburg

My question regarding this: Is it only possible to obtain this paper by going to Freiburg myself or employing a reseacher to find the paper for me?

And my third an final question (for now ): Is there anyone else in this forum who is interested in this subject and willing to share information?

Thank you for taking the time to read this. Have a nice day

Best regards

Henrik
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Re: Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

For those who take an interest and have not seen a Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines (LF)


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Re: Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

Perhaps this is worth reading to. I found it on the net if you cant find it i can post it.

Luftwaffe Technical Training
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Re: Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

@Snautzer
Thank you for the pictures of the LF.
I have found the "Luftwaffe Technical Training" and it was indeed a very interesting read. In fact it was in that very report that I found the reference to the paper by General Major Rath that I mentioned earlier.
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Old 20th May 2019, 22:57
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see attached the diagramm of luftwaffe pilot training ...

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Re: Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

Hi,

I found the following book useful for a better understanding of the Luftwaffe's training system: "Luftwaffe Fledglings 1935 - 1945: Luftwaffe Training Units & Their Aircraft" by Barry Ketley and Mark Rolfe. Apart from the units and their aircraft (obviously), this book also describes typical pilot/crewmember training and the weaknesses of the Luftwaffe's training system.


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Re: Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

Hopefully these will help a little bit - taken from various Soldbücher & Wehrpässe of different pilot types:

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Pilot types:

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Training course

All candidates for air service in the Air Force, including ground crews, were first assigned to an Air Replacement Division (FEA). After passing through the FEA, the recruits considered suitable for flight training were assigned to a Candidate Flight Company for two months. General aviation subjects were taught here. A basic training of six to twelve months took place here, whereby the instruction at radio sets and map reading were the only aviation aspects. In the later course of the war this phase was shortened to two or three months.
Candidates for an officer's career continued their training at an air war school. All other candidates were assigned to a pilot school A/B (FFS A/B) and received a 100 to 150-hour beginner training course on A2 and B1/B2 aircraft. Towards the end of the war, the number of flying hours was reduced to only 40. The first five hours were with a flight instructor, after which about 25 hours in solo flight followed for practicing take-off and landings and circling. The aircraft material used for this was usually robust Bücker and clamp models. Since these were almost always two-seater, at the end of the training the Luftwaffe pilot's license A2 was almost always required. The A1 licence could only be obtained in single-seater aircraft.
After the successful completion of the training there were different options for the further training, depending on the evaluation of the flight instructors and the ideas of the flight students. Future fighter pilots were seconded to fighter pilot schools, dive bomber pilots went to Stuka preschools, pilots for bomber and reconnaissance aircraft were further trained at C schools.
source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B-Schule (only in german … sorry)
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Re: Luftwaffenflugzeugführerscheines

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see attached the diagramm of luftwaffe pilot training ...
@ghostwriter:
Thank you for the diagramm. It seems to be very well in line with what I have read about the training program so far. What I would like to do is to open up the box called A/B School and see what inside. What did the pupil learn when flying and what classroom lessons did he get on the ground.

I also enjoyed reading the article in the "Flying" magazine and for most part it seems to have the facts right. At least if it describes the prewar or early war education in the Luftwaffe. One thing that caught my eye though is the following quote: "Casualties at German air force fighter schools are extremely high. In 1940, 27 were killed out of a class of 60 pupils at a typical school." I have not previously read about such a high casulty rate, so I wonder if this number is correct. Does anyone have input on this?
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