5 December 1944 raid to Hamm/Soest

[Franek Grabowski]

Hi
Does anyone know what German units opposed RAF raid to Hamm/Soest on 5 December 1944? Certainly, I, II and IV/JG 27 was involved, clashing with No 91 and No 504 Sqns, and claiming three Spitfires for actual loss of one. Not sure of their losses.
Any other German units involved?
TIA
Franek

[Rottler]

Hello Franek,

according to JFV 13/II and 13/V the I., II., III. and IV./JG 27 as well as the IV./JG 54 were involved.
German claims:
I./JG 27 1 Spitfire near Haltern-Gladbeck
II./JG 27 1 Mustang north of Scholven
IV./JG 27 1 Spitfire area Dortmund-Wesel.
German losses:
I./JG 27 2 Bf 109
II./JG 27 5 Bf 109
III./JG 27 1 Bf 109
IV./JG 27 3 Bf 109
IV./JG 54 1 Fw 190.

Regards
Leo

[Franek Grabowski]

Thanks Leo!
Interesting, that I can find RAF victories for just 8-1-1 aircraft, though it was supposed 2-0-0 should have been credited to a pilot who failed to return. I guess there is no more info on circumstances?
Franek

[MW Giles]

I guess you might not have

12:00 195 Sqn F/O J R Disher Lancaster I NG305/C
Me109 1.00 Destroyed
5145N 0635E 20,000 ft
Sgt D F Jones MUG
Sgt S B Le Brun RG

Martin

[Franek Grabowski]

Thanks Martin, but I got it already, though later than posted here! Now, the question is, who clashed whom.

[MW Giles]

If you want to go through the RAF escort squadrons for Ramrod 1394

(11/13 would indicate that 13 took off but two returned early). The headings come from the 11 Group ORB. The numbers against the squadrons are from the squadron ORB, often they do not agree.

133 Wing 32/33 Mustangs (11 Grp ORB)
Hamm Escort Front 133 Wing Mustang 129 Sqn 12
Hamm Escort Front 133 Wing Mustang 133 Wing 1
Hamm Escort Front 133 Wing Mustang 306 Sqn 8/9
Hamm Escort Front 133 Wing Mustang 316 Sqn 10/11

150 Wing 30/37 Mustangs (11 Group ORB)
Hamm Escort Rear 150 Wing Mustang 19 Sqn 8/10
Hamm Escort Rear 150 Wing Mustang 65 Sqn 7/12
Hamm Escort Rear 150 Wing Mustang 122 Sqn 8/12
Hamm Escort Rear 150 Wing Mustang 150 Wing 1

Manston Wing 39/45 Spitfires
Hamm Escort Withdrawal Manston Spitfire 91 Sqn 12/13 1+
Hamm Escort Withdrawal Manston Spitfire 118 Sqn 8/10
Hamm Escort Withdrawal Manston Spitfire 124 Sqn 11/13
Hamm Escort Withdrawal Manston Spitfire 504 Sqn 9/10
Hamm Escort Withdrawal Manston Spitfire Manston Wing 1

Hamm Top Cover Bradwell Bay Mustang 64 Sqn 12
Hamm Top Cover North Weald Mustang 234 Sqn 7/9

Heimbach Escort Hawkinge Spitfire 441 Sqn 9/11
Heimbach Escort Hawkinge Spitfire Hawkinge Wing 1

Detling Wing 22/24 Spitfires
Heimbach Escort Front Detling Spitfire 1 Sqn 11/12
Heimbach Escort Front Detling Spitfire 165 Sqn 10/12
Heimbach Escort Front Detling Spitfire Detling Wing 1

Bradwell Bay Wing 24/25 Spitfires
Heimbach Escort Rear Bradwell Bay Spitfire 126 Sqn 12/13
Heimbach Escort Rear Bradwell Bay Spitfire 312 Sqn 12

North Weald Wing 22/23 Spitfires
Heimbach Target Cover/Withdrawal North Weald Spitfire 310 Sqn 8/9
Heimbach Target Cover/Withdrawal North Weald Spitfire 313 Sqn 13
Heimbach Target Cover/Withdrawal North WealdSpitfire North Weald Wing 1



Martin

[strahljaeger]

Hi,

for #10
(IV/JG54 11:50hrs Fw H Marx + Fw190 A-8 380170 shot down by Spitfire in Dortmund area 100%)

Aircraft and Fw. Marx was found 5.12.1996 +++look at the date!+++ . Thy were discovered during construction work on a sewage treatment plant/pumping station in a pasture next to the Brabecker Mühlenbach and were subsequently recovered. Fw. Marx was buried on December 30, 1996 at the Kirchhellen cemetery.