Serial Number - Aircraft ID help!!!

[Max Wünsche]

Originally Posted by Revi16

ME 210/410

That was my thinking also.... Or Me110.....?

[Max Wünsche]

Originally Posted by Tony Kambic

Thanks Max. I was looking at some images I have of the NASM Bf109G spinner and it made me realize that this red spinner is large, and similar. One difference is that there are flush rivets on the G that extend up to the joint on each side of a prop blade opening and they don't exist on the red spinner.

The VDM document I have only has data as far as the Bf109G. I thought maybe it could possibly be for a K but now the new image shows no hole large enough for a cannon.

What other aircraft would have a large spinner like the 109 and be a late war development, in light of a distinct higher Haube Nummer.

Tony

On the contrary, thank you Tony for helping me out and checking on the serial numbers for me. Very much appreciated.

I would discount this one from being off a single engine fighter as you have already pointed out, the central hole is neither large enough nor does it have the flared rim that the Me109s had to accomodate the nose cannon.

I am leaning towards a twin engine fighter perhaps.

[Tony Kambic]

Mike,

I did consider that when performing my research, especially since the '210' is in the 'Gerat Nr.' of the data plate. I looked at all the data for the 110, 210, and 410 in the documents.

Here they are:

110 DB601A,N 9-11081.30

110 DB605F 9-12078.34 9-12078.30

210 DB605A 9-12078.34 9-12078.30

410 DB603D 9-12141.35

410 DB603A 9-12102.35

Nothing close, but as Max states, it probably fits best on at least a twin engine spinner.

Steve Sheflin helped with the Hersteller:

FAK = "MAD" Machinenfabrik u. Apparatebauanstalt, Darmstadt, Ing. P.R. Schmittmann Schmittmann & Co. Inh. A. Küchler, Darmstadt [H]

Last, I'm going to see if I can dig aournd and obtain the data plate numbers on the 410 in storage at NASM Silver Hill. Hopefully our UK contributors can visit the Me110 and Me410 on display and see what they can learn about their spinners.

Tony

[Max Wünsche]

Originally Posted by Tony Kambic

Mike,

I did consider that when performing my research, especially since the '210' is in the 'Gerat Nr.' of the data plate. I looked at all the data for the 110, 210, and 410 in the documents.

Here they are:

110 DB601A,N 9-11081.30

110 DB605F 9-12078.34 9-12078.30

210 DB605A 9-12078.34 9-12078.30

410 DB603D 9-12141.35

410 DB603A 9-12102.35

Nothing close, but as Max states, it probably fits best on at least a twin engine spinner.

Steve Sheflin helped with the Hersteller:

FAK = "MAD" Machinenfabrik u. Apparatebauanstalt, Darmstadt, Ing. P.R. Schmittmann Schmittmann & Co. Inh. A. Küchler, Darmstadt [H]

Last, I'm going to see if I can dig aournd and obtain the data plate numbers on the 410 in storage at NASM Silver Hill. Hopefully our UK contributors can visit the Me110 and Me410 on display and see what they can learn about their spinners.

Tony

Hi Tony,

Once again, many thanks for your efforts in helping me research what A/C this came from.

I had emailed a friend of mine who works in WWII aircraft restoration, but I had not received any replies from him as yet, so will see if I can dig up further info as well.

Cheers...

[Max Wünsche]

I took some additional images of the smaller spinner of the internals.

Given that the front is all smashed in, it is hard to tell what type or size hole there is at the tip of the spinner, although you can see the rolled over edge from these images.









There is also no slot or access hole as per the RED spinner to allow access for tooling to remove / tighten the spinner.

A friend I know who works on restoring Luftwaffe aircraft initially said he thought it looked like it was from a fighter, but he followed that up with another email by saying that he was unsure what type.

Well, the waters are a little less muddy than when I started, but to be able to say definitively that it was used on this or that type of aircraft would be great.

[Tony Kambic]

I found it. In Junkers Propellor documents. All the Junkers props start with the 2, thus the 21024.

They were not VDM, and were produced by Junkers-Verstell-Luftschraben.

This red spinner, 9-21024.30 is listed for a Ju88 A-4, D-1, C-6, fitted with a Jumo 211 J.

I should be able to learn how the smashed spinner was removed. I need to peruse through 18 separate manuals.

More to come.

Tony

[Tony Kambic]

Max, the slot for mounting and removing the spinner from the crushed He111 spinner was on the back plate of the spinner, which mounted directly to the hub. That's why you couldn't visualize it.

I wish I knew how to add photos for this site. I have had many that I could display. In the old version of this website, it was easy. Now I need some https link.

Regards,

Tony

[Max Wünsche]

Originally Posted by Tony Kambic

I found it. In Junkers Propellor documents. All the Junkers props start with the 2, thus the 21024.

They were not VDM, and were produced by Junkers-Verstell-Luftschraben.

This red spinner, 9-21024.30 is listed for a Ju88 A-4, D-1, C-6, fitted with a Jumo 211 J.

I should be able to learn how the smashed spinner was removed. I need to peruse through 18 separate manuals.

More to come.

Tony

One word...."AMAZING"... Many thanks!

The seller of the RED spinner had it listed as a Ju88 spinner, but I was then told (incorrectly it appears) that they were wrong and that it was actually from a He-111.

I have two nice vertical stabiliser Swaz panels from Ju88's as well as some other parts, so that is nice to know that it is most likely from a Ju88 afterall.

I gather the smaller, crushed spinner is still most likely from a He-111...?

Incidentally, I forgot that I had this nice cardboard advertising poster for VDM which I think is appropriate to show in this thread.






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