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Old 7th November 2018, 13:43
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Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

Hello,


what means the data in form of "xx-xx-xx-xx" in the "Besatzungen" (Crews) column in Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945?


For example II./SG1 18:00 4.Feb.1945: 35-34-29-1


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Old 9th November 2018, 22:08
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

I believe the following;

35 = Ist-Bestand (number of pilots)
34 = Einsatzbereit (operational fit)
29 = Verfügbar (available, some pilots were away from the unit)
1 = not sure about the last column.....Bedingt Verfügbar (?)

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Old 10th November 2018, 13:05
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

Thank you, John!


So, only 4th column still unclear.


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Old 11th November 2018, 03:32
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

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Thank you, John!


So, only 4th column still unclear.


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A straight translation might be "conditionally available".
So the aircraft is available but subject to flying or mission conditions?
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Old 11th November 2018, 19:14
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

This is only about crew, not about aircraft
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Old 11th November 2018, 20:55
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

I think that the first column means Sollstärke (authorized strength) and the second column Iststärke (actual strength), so the third column could mean Einsatzbereit
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Old 11th November 2018, 21:52
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

Flugzeugführer:

1st: Soll (authorized strength)
2nd: Ist (actual strength)
3rd: Einsatzbereit (combat ready)
4th: Bedingt Einsatzbereit (conditional combat ready)


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Old 11th November 2018, 23:00
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

Norbert/Andrei,

Soll-Stärke is of course normally listed but not in the specific Lfl. 6 reports Andrey is referring to.

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Old 12th November 2018, 10:47
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

Are we talking about the reports like the excerpt in the attachment?

I could be wrong, of course, but from this I can not see why the first column is not Soll.
It is interesting to note that the number in the first column is almost always equals the sum of numbers in the second and fourth columns. So, if the first column means authorized strength and the second means actual strength, the fourth column could mean Fehlen (lacking). The rare exceptions to the rule 1 = 2+4 could either be a typo or indicate the unit's uncertainity about the fate of the recently missing crews
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Old 12th November 2018, 15:58
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Re: Question about Lfl.6 stregth reports 1945

If you copy a whole page and attach it you will see what I mean. For a/c only actual strength and operational is recorded (not the SOLL).

For crews this is the same. If SOLL would have been the 1st column you would see the same number for all similar units. You do not see that. The first column is definitely ACTUAL (IST) strength not SOLL.

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