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Old 15th March 2018, 12:04
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Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Hermann Jochems spent over 2 years of the war flying recon missions for Stab./StG2/SG2. On 20 August 1944 his ju87D-5 forced down behind the Russian lines and he was taken prisoner.
Aircraft on-hand records show the only D-5 losses for SG2 in August were 24 from III. Gruppe and 1 from 10. Staffel.
Can someone please tell me the codes, if known, for the D-5 he flew that day?
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Old 15th March 2018, 12:32
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

1944-08-20, 4.(F)/11, Ju 188 D-2, 150224, 6M+DM, Bei Baranowitschi
Flugzeugführer Olt Jochems, Hermann, gefangen
Beobachter Hptm Bock, Albert, gefangen
Bordfunker Ofw Gruber, Friedrich, vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Stillger, Bruno, vermißt
Bordschütze Gefr Westphal, Werner, vermißt
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Old 15th March 2018, 12:59
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Thank you very much, Matti.
This is a surprise. I was wondering how one could fly long-range recon in a Ju87, but that's the only a/c I (thought I) knew he flew. There's not much information about Recon units readily available.
Was part of 4.(F)/11 attached to SG2, or is the information that Jochems was with SG2 wrong?
Thanks again!
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Old 15th March 2018, 14:27
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Hermann Jochems was since autumn 1938 a pilot in the Stabsstaffel/StG 2. That was a reconnassance unit equipped with the Do 17 and later the Bf 110. The unit was disbanded in June 1943 and in April 1944 Jochems became the pilot of Hptm. Bock, who was the Staffelkapitän of 4.(F)/11. Albert Bock had also been a long-standing member of Stabsstaffel/StG 2.
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Old 16th March 2018, 03:48
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Thank you very much Gerhard for the invaluable information, and the lesson that what one reads on the internet, even from otherwise reliable sources, must always be taken very carefully as it could well be some way from the truth!
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Old 16th March 2018, 06:30
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Attached is scan from 4./11 Kriegschronik.

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Old 16th March 2018, 07:20
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Thank you Pawel. A nice addition to my Jochems file.
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Old 17th March 2018, 12:29
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

Gentlemen, see http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=249308 . Pawel, you have a private message.
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

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Originally Posted by Matti Salonen View Post
1944-08-20, 4.(F)/11, Ju 188 D-2, 150224, 6M+DM, Bei Baranowitschi
Flugzeugführer Olt Jochems, Hermann, gefangen
Beobachter Hptm Bock, Albert, gefangen
Bordfunker Ofw Gruber, Friedrich, vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Stillger, Bruno, vermißt
Bordschütze Gefr Westphal, Werner, vermißt
Notlandung infolge Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %. Start 08.22.

Matti
Hello, Matti!
I'm historian of aviation from Belarus.
In my article in "Aviation and Astronautics" russian magazine
this craft is shot down by Semenov/Mitsenkov 439 IAP PVO from Baranovichi airfield. (Dmitry Kienko, almer@tut.by )
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Old 29th March 2018, 14:25
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Re: Hermann Jochems Ju87D-5 codes question

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1944-08-20, 4.(F)/11, Ju 188 D-2, 150224, 6M+DM, Bei Baranowitschi
Flugzeugführer Olt Jochems, Hermann, gefangen
Beobachter Hptm Bock, Albert, gefangen
Bordfunker Ofw Gruber, Friedrich, vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Stillger, Bruno, vermißt
Bordschütze Gefr Westphal, Werner, vermißt
Notlandung infolge Motorbrand. Bruch 100 %. Start 08.22.

Matti
Hello, Matti!
Thanks for the info, I found this plane on the site of the fall a few years ago.
Does anyone have information about losses of distant reconnaissance crews Ju-88 (Ju-188) over Belarus?

21.08.44
25.08.44

Dmitry Kienko
Minsk
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