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Old 20th March 2010, 21:26
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I habe a better Foto from his Time as Staffelkapitδn 9./JG 2

21.11.44 : Oblt. Dieter Meister * 24.02.19 Hamburg
Fw 190 A-8 738 233 Rhein-Main-Gebiet (Himbach)
Absturz nach Luftkampf mit P-38
Grabl.: FfM Hauptfriedhof

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Old 20th March 2010, 21:56
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Re: Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

Bonsoir Peglar,
Really? Do you think it's possible to have a copy...
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Old 21st March 2010, 04:00
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Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

Hi Peglar

I too would be interested in this photograph as well if it would not be too much of a bother for you. I should add that Goss has stated that he was killed while flying Fw 190 A-8 (W.Nr. 738 325). Many thanks.

Horrido!

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Old 21st March 2010, 21:30
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Fredo have you got the Foto of Meister ? Leo, send me your e-mail. Greetings Peglar
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Old 22nd March 2010, 12:34
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Re: Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

Thanks so much Peglar !
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Old 26th December 2018, 14:08
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Re: Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

This is a very old thread, but I do have two questions about it:

1- Do we happen to know the codes of Fw 190 A-8 of werknummer 738 233?

2- Which P-38 unit or pilot (possibly 9th AF) claimed him?

I have been looking at possible matches, but the 21-11-44 ETO claims only do register claims submitted by: 77th FS, 82nd FS, 335, 336, 364, 369, 370, 374, 383, 384, 385, 389, 487 and 505th Fighter Squadrons.

As far as I have researched, all were either flying P-51Mustangs or P-47 Thunderbolts...

ANY idea which unit was still flying P-38 outfits by 21 November 1944????

Adriano Baumgartner
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Old 26th December 2018, 16:20
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Re: Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

This is what DeZeng and Stankey say about him:

MEISTER, Dieter. (DOB: 24.02.19 in Hamburg). (W.B.K. Hamburg V). (DKG). 08.42 8./NJG 4.09.42 with 13./KG 40. 16.10.42 Lt., 13./KG 40 unhurt - Ju 88 C-6 damaged by Wellington of 304 Sqdn. 09.02.43 Lt., with 15./KG 40. 10.03.43 Lt., 13./KG 40. 25.06.43 Lt., awarded the Ehrenpokal. 07.43 trf back to 13./KG 40. 07.07.43 Oblt., 13./KG 40. 01.08.43 promo to Oblt.(Kr.O./Fl.). 18.09.43 Lt., 13./KG 40. 17.10.43 Lt. in 13./KG 40, awarded the DKG. 01.44 Oblt.appt Staka 3./ZG 1 (to 05.08.44?). 31.03.44 Oblt., 3./ZG 1. 08.44 ? appt Staka 10./JG 2. 21.11.44
Hptm. and Staka(?) 11./NJG 2, KIA - Fw 190 shot down by P-38s in the area of Frankfurt am Main. Credited with 10 victories in over 200 missions. [is two different people?]
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Old 27th December 2018, 02:42
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Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

Hello Adriano

Unfortunately, I doubt that we will ever know the tactical code of the fighter he was flying on his final mission. It is very interesting that you have not been able to uncover any claims by P-38 twin-engined fighter that day... perhaps the German records are in error? It would be intriguing to discover which unit JG 2 was engaged with on that occasion.

Horrido!

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Old 27th December 2018, 12:27
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Re: Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

Dear Tereza (thank you, but I already knew the information from De Zeng and other's excellent site)

LEO, yes...do need to check my 2nd TAF books (not at hand now) to see if there were some Intruding Mossies around Frankfurt that day...

This is what I matched so far...we do have two interesting SINGLE claims by airmen from 20th FG and 361st FG....maybe FRANK OLINYK can help us onto the unknown claims???

USAAF VICTORIES

_ 20th FG.
2nd/Lt. Bernard C. Halpin (77th FS, 20th FG ) – 1 Victory ?? at ?? at ???
_ 78th FG
Major R. E. Conner (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 2 Bf 109 at 12:20hs – Hannover Area
Captain R. A. Hewitt (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 1 Bf 109 at 12:20 – Hannover Area
Captain R. B. Holmes (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 1 Bf 109 at 12:20hs – Hannover Area
2nd/Lt A. A. Rosenblun (82nd FS, 78th FG) – 1 Bf 109 at 12:20hs – Hannover Area
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352nd FG
Lt-Col. John C. Meyer (487th FS, 352nd FG) – 3 Fw 190 from 12:30-12:50 – S/W Merseburg
Lt. Karl M. Waldron Jr. (487th FS, 352nd FG ) – 3 Fw 190 from 12:30-12:50 – S/W Merseburg
Capt. William T. Wishner (487th FS, 352nd FG) – 6 Fw 190 + 1 probable Fw 190 - from 12:30-12:50 – S/W Merseburg
1st/Lt Nelson R Jesup (487th FS, 352nd FG) – 2 victories ??
Major Earl L. Abbot (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 0,5 victory ?
Captain William E. Hendrian (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 0,5 victory ?
1st/Lt Leonard Intravartola (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 1 victory ?
1st/Lt Frank L. Kebelman Jr. (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 2 victories ?
1st/Lt James L. Lambright (328th FS, 352nd FG) 0 -0,5 victory ?
1st/Lt Dewayne J. Maxwell (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 1 victory ?
Major George E. Preddy (328th FS, 352nd FG) – 1 victory ?
_ 4th FG
1st/L John E. Kolbe (335th FS, 4th FG) – 1 victory ?
Capt Fred W. Glover (336th FS, 4th FG) – 3 victories ?
2nd/Lt Douglas H. Groshong (336th FS, 4th FG) – 2 victories ?
_ 359th FG
1st/Lt. Vernor L. Caid (370th FS, 359th FG) – 2 Fw 190 + 1 Fw 190 Dam – 12:20/12:30 – S/W Merseburg
Capt. Ralph L Cox (370th FS, 359th FG) – 3 Fw 190 – 12:00/12:30 – 30 miles S/W Merseburg
1/Lt. Claude J. Crenshaw (369th FS, 359th FG) – 5 Fw 190 – 11:35hs/12:05hs – Near Merseburg
2nd/Lt Harold Tennenbaum (369th FS, 359th FG) - 1 victory ?
Capt. William R. Hodges (370th FS, 359th FG ) - 3 Fw 190 + 1 Fw 190 Dam – 12:00/12:30hs – 30 miles SE of Kassel
Major Daniel P. McKee (370th FS, 359th FG) – 1 victory ??
1st/Lt. Thomas P. Smith (370th FS, 359th FG) – 2 Fw 190 + 2 Probable Fw 190 – 12/12:30hs – 30 miles SW of Merseburg
1st/Lt Homer P. Staup (370th FS, 359th FG) – 2 victories ??
_ 361st FG
Capt Lucius G. Lacroix (374th FS, 361st FG) – 1 victory ?? (possibly flying P-51 D, serial 44-15275 “Li’l Bunyep”, code B7-V (http://361fg.com/Main/Enlarge/374fs/B7V.htm)
_ 364th FG
Colonel Roy W. Osborn (364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 – 12:15hs – S of Merseburg
1st/Lt. Mark E. Coates (383rd FS, 364th FG) – 2 Fw 190 + 1 Fw 190 DAM – 12:35hs – S of Nordhausen
1st/Lt Robert H. Farley (383rd FS, 364th FG) - 2 Fw 190 – 11:45/12hs – Meiningen
2nd/Lt. Elmer H. Horman (383rd FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory?
2nd/Lt John C. Hunter (383rd FS, 364th FG) – 2 victories ?
1st/Lt. Ernest H. Duderstadt (384th FS, 364th FG ) – 1 Fw 190 shared with 1st/Lt. Everett W. Farnsworth – 12:30hs – Mulhausen
1st/Lt. John L Grimshaw (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 + 1 Bf 109 DAM – 12:05hs - 20 miles SW of Merseburg –
LT-Col John H. Lowell (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory?
1st/Lt Lawarence Visconti (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory ?
2nd/Lt. Earl H. Miller (384th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 – 12:15hs – 30 miles NE of Nordhausen
1st/Lt Everett N Farrell (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory ??
1st/Lt Robert P. Edwards (385th FSk 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 (pilot bailed out) – 12:30 – Eisleben (Combat started near Halle)
1st/Lt. Hayden W. Head (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 shared with 1st/Lt. Norman L. Box – 12:30hs – W of Merseburg
Capt Thomas P. Farrell (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 Fw 190 shared with 1st/Lt. Sim L. Lett Jr. – 12:30hs – Erfurt Area
2nd/Lt Robert M. McKibben (385th FS, 364th FG) – 1 victory ?
_366th FG
F/O Morris M. Driesler (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
2nd/Lt James E Head (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
1st/Lt Joseph W Mahoney (389th FS, 366th FG) – 2 victories
1st/Lt John H. O’Reilly (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
1st/Lt Edward W. Purdy (389th FS, 366th FG) – 1 victory
_339th FG
1st/Lt Carl H. Bundgaard (505th FS, 339th FG) 1 victory ?
1st/Lt Chester Malarz (505th FS, 339th FG ) – 0,5 victory shared with 1st/Lt George T. Rich

LUFTWAFFE KNOWN LOSSES (Kracker Archives)

1/JG 1 – 1 Fw 190
2./JG 1 – 7 Fw 190 (1 bail out + 1 belly landing)
3./JG 1 – 6 Fw 190 (1 bail out)
4./JG 1 – 8 Fw 190 (2 bail outs + 1 belly landing)
7./JG 1 – 1 Fw 190 (KIA emergency landing)
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15./JG 54 – 1 Fw 190
16./JG 54 – 3 Fw 190 (Spitfires and Mustangs)
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10./JG 4 – 2 Bf 109 K-4
12./JG 4 - 2 Bf 109 K-4
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11./JG 6 – 1 Bf 109 G-14
1./JG 6 – 1 loss Training
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7./JG 27 – 1 Bf 109 G-14 (Neuss)
8./JG 27 – 1 Bf 109 G-14
2./JG 27 – 1 Bf 109 G-14
21/11/44 Lt. Karl Wόnsch 2./JG 27 Bf 109 G-14 (461404) Probably combat
21/11/44 Fhr. Josef Klotz 7./JG 27 Bf 109 G-14/AS (460659)
White 3 + – Combat with fighter
Area of Neuss
21/11/44 Fw. Rudolf Schneider 8./JG 27 Bf 109 G-14/AS (783946)
Blue 7 + – Combat with fighter
Area of Cologne – Dόsseldorf
http://www.luftwaffe.be/missing-in-action-jg-27/
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2./JG 300 – 1 Bf 109 G-6
1./JG 300 – 1 Bf 109 G-14/AS (attributed to own Flak)
14/JG 300 – 2 losses
13./JG 300 – 2 Bf 109 G-14 (Hannover area)
3./JG 300 – 1 loss
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1./JG 301 – 1 losss
2./JG 301 – 2 Fw 190 + 1 Bf 109 G-14
3./JG 301 – 1 loss
5./JG 301 – 1 loss
7./JG 301 – 1 Fw 190 A-8 (Wehigen area)
1944.11.21 Flieger Ofhr II JG300 Fw 190A
1944.11.21 Wόlferode/ Hannover Schirrmacher Karl-Heinz Ofr 14 JG300 Bf 109G14
1944.11.21 Laatzen/ Hannover Friedelt Ottmar Uffz 13 JG300 Bf 109G14
1944.11.21 Gifhorn Michel Gόnther Ofhr 13 JG300 Bf 109G14/
1944.11.21 Hannover/ Braunschw. v Paris Hendrik Oltn 14 JG300 Bf 109G14
1944.11.21 Hildesheim Horstkφtter Hinrich Uffz 2. JG300 Bf 109G10/
1944.11.21 Liebertswolkwitz Schlebach Erwin Ofhr 3. JG300 Bf 109G14AS
1944.11.21 Jebebo/ Hannover Hennersdorf Rudolf Uffz 1. JG300 Bf 109G14AS
https://www.jg300.de/loss1944-1.html

At least some of the Combat Reports found here (http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...t-reports.html) are matched regarding the bailing out of some Fw 190 pilots....

Adriano S. Baumgartner

Does anyone do have the "JG 2 Richtofen" books by Eric Monbeek? Were there further losses recorded by JG 2 onto the 21st November 1944, or was Oblt Dieter Meister the single loss???
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Old 27th December 2018, 13:22
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Re: Oberleutnant Dieter Meister

Hello Adriano,

according to JFV Vol. 13/II page 413 this Fw 190 of the III./JG 2 was probably shot down by a F-6 of the 10th PRG (9th Air Force).

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