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Old 14th January 2010, 11:43
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Transfer of 1st,14th and 82nd FG to MTO

Hi all,

Im searching in data about transfer P-38 to Europe across Atlantic and into MTO in the end pf year 1942 - dates, number of planes from which squadron, serial number (hard idea in my opinion) .

Any information - books, www links are welcome .

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Old 15th January 2010, 13:36
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Re: Transfer of 1st,14th and 82nd FG to MTO

hello,

There are at least two lists on the www on these a/c B-17's and P-38's and their pilots.
The first is the original list while the second is an amended list that was the actual flight. Only difference is there are a few different a/c and pilots were with different aircraft.
One Squadron from the 14th FG remained in the icy regions and the 82nd FG all went by ship .
As for the UK to MTO in later months that is more of a problem to seek out so I have found.

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Re: Transfer of 1st,14th and 82nd FG to MTO

IIRC the 78th FG transferred their P-38s also, but of course did not follow them to North Africa... then re-equipped with P-47s
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Re: Transfer of 1st,14th and 82nd FG to MTO

Hello,

78th FG pilots and enlisted men arrived in the UK via the RMS Queen Elizabeth. The first P-38's were delivered on the 15th December 42 about a week after arrival at Goxhill. My opinion is that these P-38's would not have been the same ones they left behind in the US.
But could be persuaded otherwise as I understand that 183 P-38's were flown across in Operation Bolero.
At least one pilot was lost with a P38 (41-7576 was this one of the Groups a/c in the US ?) on a Ferry flight to North Africa.

Ref: "Eagles of Duxford" by Garry L. Fry.

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Re: Transfer of 1st,14th and 82nd FG to MTO

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Hello,

78th FG pilots and enlisted men arrived in the UK via the RMS Queen Elizabeth. The first P-38's were delivered on the 15th December 42 about a week after arrival at Goxhill. My opinion is that these P-38's would not have been the same ones they left behind in the US.
But could be persuaded otherwise as I understand that 183 P-38's were flown across in Operation Bolero.
At least one pilot was lost with a P38 (41-7576 was this one of the Groups a/c in the US ?) on a Ferry flight to North Africa.

Ref: "Eagles of Duxford" by Garry L. Fry.

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Alex - You are correct - I wasn't paying attention to the question. The 78th ferried by sea and did not fly their stateside P-38G's to England.
The early P-38s that the 78th received at Goxhill were ferried to Africa starting in late January 1943.
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Re: Transfer of 1st,14th and 82nd FG to MTO

Hi all,

I have only few information about transfer P-38 in ETO in 1942 and Im still looking for .

Osprey Aircraft Of The Aces number 19 P-38 Lightning Aces of the ETO/MTO - there is info about transfer of 186 in 1st phase (delivered in UK 179 P-38´s ....1st FG lost 6 aircraft and 14th FG lost 1 aircraft . But I think, that some another P-38 was lost in duty in Iceland period - maybe Im wrong ? Have any some information ? Some FS served in Iceland about some months and Lightning was "a trouble aircraft" ?

Some other P-38´s was lost in UK before transfer in Africa in end of year 1942 and I try search the serial number of this aircraft - I compiled the summary list of all this aircraft.

My basic info is from this site :
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html

I think, that many of this P-38´s was from this block :
41-7552 ... 41-7680
Lockheed P-38F-1-LO Lightning
c/n 222-5679/5807
7568 (71st FS) crashed at Ibsley, England Sep 10, 1942
7583 (94th FS) force-landed on Greenland icecap Sep 15, 1942 while enroute to BW-1
7592 converted summer 1943 to 2-seater for use as personal aircraft
of Col Cass Hough, CO of Air Technical Serivces at RAF
Bovington. Enabled him to carry an assistant while visiting
other facilities.
7602 (1st FG) crashed at Ibsley, England Oct 8, 1942
7604 (1st FG) dove into ground near Thirsk, England Aug 19, 1942.
7611 (71st FS) crshed during attempted forced landing at Avon
Tyrell, England Sep 7, 1942
7616 (94th FS) force-landed on Greenland icecap Sep 15, 1942 while enroute to BW-1
7617 (1st FG) crashed on landing at Goxhill, England Aug 19, 1942
7618 (1st FG) flew into ground at Ibsley, England Aug 8, 1942
7623 (94th FS) force landed on Greenland icecap Sep 15, 1942 while enroute to BW-1
7626 (94th FS) force-landed on Greenland icecap Sep 15, 1942 while enroute to BW-1
7630 (94th FS, c/n 222-5757) force-landed on Greenland icedap Sep 15, 1942 while enroute to BW-1.
Recovered from Greenland ice cap in 1992. Restored and made first flight Oct 26, 2002
Carries registration N17630. Owner is Lost Squadron Museum, KY
7631 tail ended up as a bar for the pilots of 59th FS, 33rd FG in
Tunisia in spring of 1943.
7632 used by NACA for research.
7634 (1st FG) crashed at Ibsley, England Oct 15, 1942.
7635 crashed at Kirton-in-Lindsey, England Aug 9, 1942. Condemned in England Oct 31, 1944.
7641 (14th FG, 48th FS) crashed at Atcham, England Aug 27, 1942 but was
repaired. WIth 82nd FG, 95th FS crashed on single-engine landing
at San Pancrazio, Italy Dec 10, 1943. Pilot injured but died later.
7643 (82nd FG, 95th FS) lost in bad weather over Italy Nov 19, 1943.
MACR 1470. Pilot MIA.
7659 (14th FG) crashed at Lees Farm near Wellington, England Sep 5, 1942
after pilot abandoned aircraft
7669 (14th FG, 49th FS) crashed at Cliviger, near Burnley, England Sep 1, 1942 during
attemped forced landing at Crownhall Farm. Pilot killed.
7671 (14th FG) crashed at Valley, Wales Sep 4, 1942.
7677 (c/n 222-5804, 14th FG, 49th FS) made forced landing on North Wales beach in surf off
Llanbedr Sep 13, 1942 due to fuel exhaustion. Pilot unhurt. Plane was
disarmed but not salvaged and was quickly covered by shifting sand.
Plane was rediscovered in spring of 2007.
7680 crashed on takeoff from RAF Falley, South Wales Jul 28, 1942

Where I found info about serial numbers of each aircraft from fighters group - date of deliveries, info about pilots, serving about aircraft (on Iceland, when landed in UK ...and fate in UK or in Africa ?

Is any question in this books ? Do you recommended to me ?
http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Bole...947554513#noop

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