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Old 9th July 2005, 02:47
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Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945

Hi Folks,

I am looking for data on lost Ju 52s, He 111s, Do 17s, Ju 87s and DFS 230 gliders participating in the Budapest airlift in January, 1945. Especially interested in lost TG.2, TG.3, and TG.4 Ju 52 losses. (WNr., plane letter-code, pilot, date, cause of loss, etc.) Thanks,

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Old 10th July 2005, 16:26
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945

Hi Gabor,

I am not interested directly in Budapest operation but during my research of last months of WW2 I founded out several notices about German Transportflieger over Hungaria. Not WNr. and others but mainly memories of both, German and Russian airmen. If you have interest I would like to talk to you about this matter but not here.

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Old 10th July 2005, 18:42
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945

Hi Gabor,

this is what I have:
The sourced is the Genst.Gen. Qu. 6. Abt.

06-01-45 III./TG correction Ofw. Hammer Walter WIA

Fw. Fischer Rudolf MIA

Ofw. Braun Thomas MIA

06-01-45 III./TG 3 H Budapest Crash, fire on impact Ju 52/3m will follow 100
Fw. Edelmann Alfred F KIA
Fw. Frerichs Martin B WIA

Ogefr. Siebert Rudolf Bf WIA

Fw. Ulbrich Erich Bw KIA


14-01-45 II./TG 2 H Papa Crash, technical problems Ju 52/3m 130735 70
Ofw. Dietrich F WIA
Ofw. Brübach Bf WIA

Ofw. Kalnischke Bm WIA

Fw. Walter Bs WIA


16-01-45 II./TG 2 F Unknown Unknown Ju 52/3m 641033 8TÌFN 100
Ofw. Tielemann Otto F MIA
Ofw. Pfeiffer Gottfried Bf MIA

Ofw. Scherer Oskar Bm MIA

Gefr. Gronerst Hatmut Bs MIA

Ofhr. Becher Georg F MIA


16-01-45 II./TG 2 F Not reported Enemy attack Ogefr. Emmich Bs KIA

16-01-45 III./TG 3 F Not reported Enemy attack
Ofw. Weissert Bf WIA
Ogefr. Kappenhagen Bm WIA

Uffz. Giesemann Bs WIA

Fw. Meyer Bs WIA


16-01-45 III./TG 4 F Unknown Flak hits Ju 52/3m 640612 G6ÌDU 100
Ofw. Rupp Josef F MIA
Ofw. Lechelt Rudolf Bf MIA

Uffz. Grunert Helmut Bm MIA

Ofw. Meinecke Hermann Bs MIA


16-01-45 III./TG 4 F SW Stuhlweißenburg Devensive fire Ju 52/3m 131068 60
Hptm. Büsselmann Ernst F WIA
Ogefr. Killing Karl-Heinz B KIA


16-01-45 III./TG 4 correction Ofw. Jaschinski Otto


17-01-45 III./TG 3 H Not reported Crash, fire on impact Ju 52/3m 10015 100
Uffz. Glatter F WIA
Uffz. Müller Bf KIA

Uffz. Wölfer Bm KIA

Gefr. Wehler Bs KIA


18-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich F Near Gran Unknown DFS 230 to follow 100 Fw. Kappacher Kurt F MIA


18-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich F Near Budapest Unknown DFS 230 to folow 100 Fw. Schilling August F MIA

18-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich F Near Budapest Unknown DFS 230 to follow 100 Ogefr. Spichtinger Jakob F MIA

The following losses of Schleppgruppe zbV Reich occurr during the period 18-01-45 to 04-02-45. The exact date is not reported.
XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 0086 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 0108 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 0424 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 2086 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21279 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21293 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21349 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21352 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22143 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22156 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22166 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22179 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22200 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22203 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22213 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22346 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22857 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22902 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25128 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25259 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25293 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25358 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25362 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25364 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25506 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25509 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25510 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27040 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27058 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27085 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27213 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27282 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27345 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27407 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27462 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27518 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27589 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 120151 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 120161 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 122814 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 122888 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 127225 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170003 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170004 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170005 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170006 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 220406 100

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 221288 100

The following pilots were reported missing in action during the same time period. Possibly used in ground fighting with infantry.

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ltn. Wachter F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofhr. Müller F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fhr. Dörner F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fhr. Reinholdt F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofw. Filins F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofw. Haupt F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofw. Kleinke F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Jung F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Kazzacher F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Lindemann F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Schilling F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Tiethmüller F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Berger F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Busch F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Drescher F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Held F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Herda F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Irion F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Itter F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Jäger F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Kröger F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Kusserow F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Lienemann F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Martin F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Mayer F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Noack F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Ochsenfatth F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Petri F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Pickard F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Roholick F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Savenburg F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Schwarze F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Schödel F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Steinbart F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Thicke F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Toth F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Verpott F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Veit Hans F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Günther F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Hess F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Hoffmann F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Keck F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Körner F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Rüdel F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Schäfer F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Schirmeier F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Schlöppmann F MIA

XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Spichtilger F MIA

19-01-45 II./TG 2 F W Papa Fighter attack Ju 52/3m 7230 100 Stfw. Geißler Heinrich F WIA

Uffz. Lowinski Josef Bf KIA

Uffz. Weidinger Roman Bw WIA

Ogefr. Winterberg Gerhard Bs WIA


19-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich H Near Gießen Forced landing, poor weather DFS 230 A-2 122163 25

24-01-45 III./TG 2 H AF Papa Engine trouble Ju 52/3m 7168 35


27-01-45 III./TG 2 F Unknown Unknown Ju 52/3m 5542 8TÌAR 100
Fw. Kreymeier Josef F MIA
Ogefr. Wyers Mathias Bf MIA

Uffz. Burmeister Werner Bm MIA

Fhr. Christian Anton Bs MIA

27-01-45 III./TG 3 F Unknown Flak hits Ju 52/3m 3259 G6ÌAP 100
Oltn. Czirz Johann F KIA
Fw. Schramm B KIA

Uffz. Rieser Bf MIA

27-01-45 III./TG 3 H Uij-Molomsck Gear damage Ju 52/3m 10017 25

27-01-45 Schleppgruppe 1 F Sagan-Küpper Artillerie hits
Ofw. Hauschild Alfr Bw WIA

28-01-45 II./TG 2 F Budapest Flak hits Ju 52/3m 501434 10 Uffz. Holder Herbert Bf WIA


It is not the best formatting, but I'm sure you will figuer it out. Any questions regarding the entries fire away.

Reagrds,

Norbert
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Old 11th July 2005, 05:06
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945

Oh My God!!!

Norbert, I do not have words... It will take for a while to review all these data, but many thanks for this in advance!! Not long ago I talked to a Ju 52 vet, who participated in many Budapest night missions in January, 1945. Well, it was more than interesting.... In minus 20, in the circle of the Russian search lights in the rain of the flak fragments, finding the drop zone in the dark and push the containers out of the door.... Well, I think Hollywood and all the new action movies are nothing compaired to these historical stories.... Thanks again,

Gabor
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Old 11th March 2013, 17:34
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945

I have one loss at Prottes, Lower Austria on January 11th, 1945.

Junkers Ju 52 WNr.: 501.432

Uffz. EBERLE, Fritz Beobacher
Fw. HUTHER, Eugen Bordmechaniker
Fw. KÜHN, Helmut Flugzeugführer
Uffz. PFAHLS, Josef Bordfunker

Does anyone have more data about those missions to Budapest? Thanks for posting. Kurtl
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