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Old 27th June 2018, 20:27
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

http://aviation-ancienne.forumactif....91-5-juin-1940

About the Do 17...ça change tout donc! Anyway, will have a look at the book by Heimdal, just for curiosity about the fate of that machine...Hope the above site will be of help. Probably Matti Salonnen do have a match for you.

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Old 27th June 2018, 20:33
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

GC II/6 (Châteauroux – MB 152) maybe??
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Old 27th June 2018, 20:34
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

Patrouilles de défense de l’usine d’Avord (Avord – MB 151) :
La patrouille décolle sur alerte pour contrer les 18 He 111, et se battent avec la Patrouille de défense de l’usine de Bourges. L’adj Benausse abat un He 111, en coopération avec Marcel Haegelen de la patrouille de défense de l’usine de Bourges.
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Old 27th June 2018, 20:35
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

Patrouille de défense de l’usine de Bourges (Bourges – MS. 406 et Curtiss H-75) :
Décollage sur alerte à 13h30 de 3 patrouilles équipées de Curtiss (Cptne Kosinski, Lt Wesolowski, Sgt Kresmski et C/C Pietrasak). Un groupe de 18 He 111 est aperçu à 6000m. Les pilotes polonais effectuent une première passe frontale, et se retournent ensuite pour les attaquer par l’arrière. Les Heinkel rebroussent chemin.
Les polonais sont rejoints par le Lt Colonel Haegelen, et un autre pilote (Brivot, Nique ou Bertrand). Un deuxième groupe de 9 bombardiers est aperçu ; les polonais l’engagent jusqu’à épuisement des munitions. 2 appareils sont abattus selon les archives françaises, 3 en plus des endommagés selon les archives polonaises (dont celui de Kremski). Un seul appareil est perdu (celui de Marcel Haegelen, qui bien qu’ayant abattu un He 111 en coopération avec l’adj Benausse de la patrouille de défense de l’usine d’Avord, doit se poser à Avord avec une blessure à l’épaule et 5 impacts sur son avion).
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Old 27th June 2018, 21:01
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

Thank you/Merci to all,

the puzzle takes shape.......

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Old 27th June 2018, 21:13
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

I have the following:
1940-06-05, 5./KG 55, He 111 P, G1+FN, Anthien, nordöstlich Corbigny
Flugzeugführer Fw Hölterscheidt, Friedrich, gefangen
Beobachter Ogfr Stengel, Berthold, gefangen
Bordfunker Uffz John, Erich, gefangen
Bordmechaniker Fw Belles, Hans, gefangen
Bordschütze Fw Harland, Wilhelm, gefangen
Absturz infolge Beschuß von MS 406 der GC II/6 über Bourges. Bruch 100 %.

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Old 27th June 2018, 22:03
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

Vince, thank you for posting the Picture of 4N+KH that I remembered having seen at the reference from Heimdal (J-B Frappé).

MATTI, you Always have helped us down here...We do owe you a lot! Thanks again.

Gilles, it seems there was more than one He 111 claim around the region, as previously reported...but it seems Matti hit the Anthien loss accordingly.

I tried but did not find any G1+FN Picture amongst those I do have about the He 111...so sorry. But maybe a start for you. Perhaps the Combat Report (original) from GC II/6 do exist au Chateau de Vincennes?

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Old 28th June 2018, 05:05
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Re: Phoney War DO17 4N + KH

Matti Adriano Vince Chris and others, thanks , this is clear now

it is interesting to see how pictures from different sources can be mixed, thus confusing the local history.

With your support, things are in order now.

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