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Old 14th January 2017, 16:20
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JG5 vs Pe-2

Hello

I am looking for the winners(JG5) of many Pe-2 (28 BAP,29 BAP,608 BBAP,121 AP) shot down and apparently confirmed:unlike the others claims ( P-40,Hurri.....).

1)25/4/42= two of 608 BAP
2)29/6/42= four of 608 BAP
3)30/6/42 = three of ? (5.00 h) and three of 28 BAP (21.00 h)
4)6/7/42 = two of ?
5)11/7/42 = one of 28 BAP
6)20/7/42 = two of ?
7)23/7/42 = two of 29 BAP
8)11/9/42 = two of 29 BAP (18.20 h) and four of 121 AP

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Old 14th January 2017, 20:26
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

Hello Michel,

This is what I can find in Eric Mombeek 's book Eismeerjäger band 4 victory list:

No Pe-2 victories on the 25th, instead 7 listed on the 26th:
- Lt. Hans Tetzner 16:13 6./ - 30 km südöstl. Petsamo
- Lt. Friedrich Dahn 16:15 5./ - östl. Fl.Pl. Petsamo
- Ofw. Willi Pfränger 16:15 6./ - 40 km südöstl. Petsamo
- Oblt. Horst Carganico 16:16 6./ - 70 km südöstl Petsamo
- Oblt. Horst Carganico 16:16 6./ - 70 km südöstl Petsamo
(Duplicate victories?)
- Uffz. Rudolf Müller no time 6./ - 2 km westl. Petsamo
- Ofw. Willi Pfränger no time 6./ - 1 km westl. Petsamo

None on the 29th and the 30/6.
6/7: - Uffz. Helmut Klante 05:10 7./
11/7: - 2 by Uffz. August Braun 13:47 & 13:48 - Pl.Qu. 10252
20/7: - Uffz. Walter Schuck 08:32 7./ - Liza Bucht
None on 23/7
11/9:
- Ofw. Otto Herzog 18:20 8./
- Fw. Heinz Beyer 18:21 8./ - Pl.Qu. 37 Ost / 1059
- Fw. Heinz Beyer 18:25 8./ - Pl.Qu. 37 Ost / 2058
- Fw. Heinz Beyer 18:32 8./
- Uffz. Helmut Klante 18:35 7./

So thats its, hope it can help you.
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Old 14th January 2017, 20:39
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

Hi,

i think Theodor Weissenberger claimed 2 Pe-2 in 25.04.42....

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Old 14th January 2017, 23:05
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

25.04.1942
I. Feindtätigkeit
a) Zwischen 07,27-07,40 Uhr 12 P-2 über Flugplatz Kirkenes. Baw. (30-40 Bomben)
Schäden: 1 Baracke zerstört, 2 Baracken stark beschädigt.
Personenverluste: 2 Tote, 3 Vermisste, mehrere Verwundete.
Flakabwehr ohne erkannte Wirkung.
Gestartete eigene Jäger schossen 2 P-2 ab. (S. eigene Einsätze, Ziffer 5)
[...]
II. Eigene Einsätze:
[...]
5.) 10./JG 5 mit 2 BF 110 von 07,24-08,18 Uhr von Kirkenes.
Alarmstart Landung: 1 BF 110 Petsamo, 1 BF 110 08,10 Uhr Notlandung: 5 km südl. Salmijärvi.
Ergebnis:
Feinberührung in 3500 m über Flugplatz Kirkenes mit 12 P-2 Verfolgung bis 07,52 Uhr in Gegend Motowskij, dabei Abschuss 1 P-2 um 07,44 Uhr über Motowskij und 1 P-2 um 07,49 Uhr 30 km südl. davon, durch Ofw. Weissenberger (12. und 13. Abschuss) nach Beschuss einer weiteren P-2 durch Ofw. Weissenberger wurde starke Beschädigung und Lösen von Einzelteilen des Leitwerkes bei feindl. Flugzeug beobachtet. Weitere Beobachtung nicht möglich, da eigene Maschine durch Treffer in Tank notlanden musste.
1 BF-110 Totalverlust. Besatzung geborgen (S. Ziffer 6)
6.) 10./JG 5 mit 1 BF 110 von 08,48-10,01 Uhr von Kirkenes: Suche nach vermisster BF-110.
Ergebnis:
BF 110 5 km südl. Salmijärvi brennend, Besatzung an Eismeerstrasse.
Bemerkung:
Besatzung durch FI-156 inzwischen unverletzt geborgen.
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Old 15th January 2017, 09:56
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

So,if I anderstand,both the 25/4 are by the Zerstorerstaffel-but for others dates,are the facts confirmed? and by Bf.109.
What does Prien and his group say ?

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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

Hi Michel

Very interesting!

Do you have any crew details of the Pe-2s listed, and their fates?

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Old 15th January 2017, 11:07
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

Pe-2s claimed on 26.04.1942 were actually Pe-3s of 95 IAP (5 losses in total).
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Old 15th January 2017, 13:17
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

26.04.1942
I. Feindtätigkeit:
15,55-16,18 Uhr 8 P-2 über Flugplatz Petsamo, BAW auf Flugplatz. Kein Schaden und Verluste gemeldet. Gestartete Jäger schossen 5 P-2 im Luftkampf ab.
[...]
II. Eigene Einsätze:
[...]
4.) I./ST G 5 mit 12 Ju-87 von 15,20 bis 16,39 Uhr von Kirkenes. Angriff auf Schiffsziele und Hafenanlagen Murmansk. Auftrag über Petsamo abgebrochen, da zum Begleitschutz gestartete eigene Jäger 8 angreifende P-2 über Petsamo abwehrten.
Begleitschutz:
II und III JG 5 mit 20 BF 109 von 15,57-16,29 Uhr von Petsamo. Luftkampf mit P-2 in 3500 m über Flugplatz Petsamo. Ergebnis: 5 P-2 abgeschossen.
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Re: JG5 vs Pe-2

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Hello

I am looking for the winners(JG5) of many Pe-2 (28 BAP,29 BAP,608 BBAP,121 AP) shot down and apparently confirmed:unlike the others claims ( P-40,Hurri.....).

1)25/4/42= two of 608 BAP
2)29/6/42= four of 608 BAP
3)30/6/42 = three of ? (5.00 h) and three of 28 BAP (21.00 h)
4)6/7/42 = two of ?
5)11/7/42 = one of 28 BAP
6)20/7/42 = two of ?
7)23/7/42 = two of 29 BAP
8)11/9/42 = two of 29 BAP (18.20 h) and four of 121 AP

Thank you for your help

michel
30/6/42: 28 BPAP lost crews of Serzhants Ivan Fedorovich Skopchev, Aleksandr Mikhailovich Zaychenko and Vladimir Viktorovich Biryulin all KIA. Also killed was Kapitan Grigory

11/7/42: 28 BPAP. Crew of Serzhant Petr Pavlovich Karpov all KIA

20/7/42: Likely 29 BPAP-SF, crew of Lt. Vikentiy Ivanovich Pavlovich

11/9/42: 121 IAP, 4 losses. Crews were: Mladshiy Leytenant V G Yudin/Leytenant G I Shiryayev both KIA. Leytenant S A Nazarkin/Serzhant S D Ulanov both KIA. Serzhant V P both KIA (but one source says they were actually POW) from No. 40102 and also Starshina V M Samarin returned but Leytenant Shustov stepped on a mine. 40106 came down near Kauhalahti
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1)25/4/42= two of 608 BAP
Theodor Weissenberger

12. 25.04.1942 7:44 Pe-2 S. Motowski - Pe-2 of 608 BBAP, damaged
13. 25.04.1942 7:49 Pe-2 S. Motowski - overclaim
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