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Old 24th April 2011, 22:08
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Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

Hello to all!
What was the Ju-88 losses of the Lfl.1 units on 20-21 july 1941?
On these days have been Luftwaffe big scale attacks on Leningrad and airfields. Soviet VVS has claimed 10 Bf-110 and 5 Ju-88 on 20 july and 7 Bf-110 on 2 july.
Could anyone report circumstances of ZG26 Bf-110 losses on 20.07.41? On 20 or 21 july (date uncertain) V.P. Klyckov from 19 iap claimed 2 Bf-110 (one by ramming) - maybe one Bf-110 is his victim.

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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

Ju-88 must be from KG76 or KG77 - maybe someone knows exact losses on 20-21 july 1941?
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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

Hi Dmitry,

The GQM records I have for this period are very poor this is what I can make out :-

Report dated 23-7-41

1/ 20-7 5/ZG26 Bf110E-2 3U+LN LK mit Jager Ff Uffz Hahn, BF Gef Baas missing to dead

2/ 20-7 1/ZG26 Bf 110E-1 3U+KH LK mit Jager FF Uffz Vogelsang,BF Gef Bartke missing

3/ 20-7 III/KG76 Ju88A-5 2258 60% damaged in crash landing Pleskau following enemy fire.


Report Dated 24-7-41

1/ 21-7 7/KG76 Ju88A-5 2458 F1+ER crew of Oblt Mantwitz missing

2/ 21-7 9/KG77 Ju88A-5 crew of Oblt Drenke injured

3/ 21-7 5/KG77 Ju88A-5 50% in crash landing crew safe

4/ 21-7 3/ZG26 (Leningrad) Bf110E-2 3U+CL 3892 Ff Uffz Muller Bf Gef Pukauer missing last message '' Steige aus''

Report dated 25-7-41

21-7 2/KG77 Ju88A-5 2289 75% at Sarjetsche Bf and Bs wounded.


These are the best I can make out and may not be complete hopefully someone with better copies may be able to confirm or add to, a start at least,

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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

Thank you Brian!
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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20.07.41

Hi,

Bringing together all data on loss and claims on 20.07.41 I reached the following conclusions:
7 (428) iap (regiment) claims – 3 Bf-110 (lt. Dargis P., lt. Nikitin A., lt. Chemodanov A.), 2 Ju-88 (second lt. Ovcharenko I., second lt. Petrin A.)
19 iap claims – 3 Bf-110 (lt. AntonovM.+??, lt. Klykov V. – 2 Bf-110, one by ramming)
158 iap claims – 3 Bf-110 (lt. Pokryshev P., lt. Nikolskiy V., lt. Chirkov A.), 3 Ju-88 (lt. Bulaev A., lt. VasiljevV.+lt. Jakovlev, secondlt. CheredkovN.+ secondlt. Chuvashev)

Luftwaffe losses (thanks to Brian Bines):
1) Bf110E-2 1./ZG26 3U+LH W.Nr. 2379 aircombat FF Uffz Hahn, BF Gef Baas MIA
2) Bf 110E-1 1./ZG26 3U+KH W.Nr. 4094 aircombat FF Uffz Vogelsang, BF Gef Bartke MIA
3) Ju88A-5 III./KG76 W.Nr.2258 60% crash landing Pleskau following enemy fire

Total 1 lost Ju-88 – 5 soviet claims, 2 lost Bf-110 – 9 soviet claims.

VVS losses in combat against Ju-88 and Bf-110:
19 iap second lt. Beljakov V. forced landing, unhurt, MiG-3;
19 iap lt. Karpov E. parachute, unhurt, MiG-3;
19 iap lt. KlykovV. parachute after ramming, unhurt, LaGG-3;
158 iap lt. Jakovlev shut down own AAA, parachute, unhurt, Jak-1;
158 iap lt. Bulaev A. damaged engine, Jak-1;
158 iap second lt. Avershin L. shut down own AAA killed in forced landing;
158 iap second lt. Chueshev A. KIA;
158 iap lt. Vershinin N. shut down KIA.

ZG26 and KG76 claims don’t known.

Also have been lost:
19 iap lt. Gneushev M. shut down in combat, LaGG-3 (time 16.25 in summary #57 of the Nord front airforce headquarters) – obviously corresponds with claim - Oblt. Philipp Hans II./JG54 I-18 - 14:30.
19 iaplt. Romanov T. MIA, MiG-3 (time 19.25 in summary #57 of the Nord front airforce headquarters) – obviously corresponds with claim - Ltn. Beißwenger Hans II./JG54 I-18 - 18:50.

No matches found:
Ltn. Götz Hans I./JG54 SB-3 - 10:25.
Oblt. Mütherich Hubert II./JG54 I-16 - 17:45.

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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

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On 16Jul41(Don't have the time) the KBF 1 MTAP had 6 DB-3 make a bombing raid (I don't know the target) but they had 3 losses. I know the KBF 71 BAP was also operating that day. I have have only found Uffz Herbert Rollwage 4./JG53 claiming a SB-2 (Turned down for no witness) no time and location. The other possible ones that could have made the claims are Uffz Erwin Stalp 6./JG54 18:50 SB-2. Lt. Hans Beisswenger 6./JG54 forced landed after an air battle on Bf 109F-2 (9538) but I don't know if he engaged bombers or fighters. So is Stalp possibly the one that engaged 1 MTAP from the time. If so he claimed only 1 of 3 unless Beisswenger got them and didn't see them go down.
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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

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On 16Jul41(Don't have the time) the KBF 1 MTAP had 6 DB-3 make a bombing raid (I don't know the target) but they had 3 losses. I know the KBF 71 BAP was also operating that day.
What is your source for 1 MTAP and 71 BAP operations on 16 july? In OBD (personal losses database) I cannot find any losses for 16.07.41.
15.07.41 - 3 crew of 1 MTAP lost
16.07.41 - 1 crew of 205 SBAP lost
17.07.41 - 2 crew of 1 MTAP lost, 1 crew of 7 TBAP lost
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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20.07.41

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No matches found:
Ltn. Götz Hans I./JG54 SB-3 - 10:25.
Oblt. Mütherich Hubert II./JG54 I-16 - 17:45.
Claim: 20.07.41 Oblt. Mütherich Hubert II./JG54 I-16 17:45 – maybe next losses:
20.07.41 lt. Sereda B.S. 12 sqn VVS KBF, KIA
20.07.41 sec.lt. Bogdashev V.N. 71 iap VVS KBF, MIA, Sakana
20.07.41 sec.lt. Zelishchev V.I. 13 sqn VVS KBF, KIA, Narva

Claim: 20.07.41 Ltn. Götz Hans I./JG54 SB-3 10:25 – maybe next loss:
20.07.41 lt. Kazarmin S.S. 53 dbap 1 AK, MIA
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Re: Luftflotte 1 raids on 20-21.07.41

Dmitry,
My mistake on the date (Bad habit of scribling to many notes all over one sheet of paper). On www.bellabs.ru the article "Archive 51-Mine-Torepedo Regiment KBF" by Miroslav Morozov was were I found the information. The correct date listed was the 17Sep41 and the target area was Uritsk-Ligovo(?). Lt. Borzov led 6 DB-3 and lost 3 to fighters. The OBD has one crew lost for that date under 1 AP KBF but to antiaircraft fire. I have found a few of his dates wrong in the article before and had to double check to find the right date. The Luftwaffe units have two DB-3 claims on the 17Sep41 but at different times and no location. On 19Sep41 there are claims for 3 SB-2 in the Uritsk area in the morning.
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