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Old 5th May 2018, 02:29
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Minor detail, but tail No.s are reversed in the May 1 and June 1, 1945 lists for the following two 511 ORAP Pe-2s:

May 1, 1945:

Pe-2, S/N: 9/155, No.31
Pe-2, S/N: 13/224, No.32

June 1, 1945:

Pe-2, S/N: 9/155, No.32
Pe-2, S/N: 13/224, No.31

I don't know which ones are correct, (or if the markings really changed, which I doubt.) Unfortunately I have no info on tail No.s for the late war combat losses, only for the "surviving" planes.
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Old 5th May 2018, 02:50
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Hi Nick,
I reviewed the other Pe-2 and Pe-3 losses in the 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian Front areas beside the 511 ORAP for late 1944-1945:

48 OGvRAP GK Pe-2 and Pe-3 losses:
(This was a "mobile" recce. unit, subordinated straight to the VVS HQ., supporting the most critical areas. They had Yak-9D, B-25C and A-20C losses as well, these are just the Pe-2s, Pe-3s.)

Pe-2 on August 20, 1944
Pe-2 on November 13, 1944
Pe-2 on December 9, 1944
Pe-2 on December 24, 1944
Pe-3 on January 22, 1945
Pe-2 on February 4, 1945
Pe-3 on February 19, 1945
Pe-3 on March 1, 1945
Pe-2 on March 17, 1945
Pe-3 on April 25, 1945
Pe-2 on April 27, 1945
Pe-2 on May 5, 1945

17 VA, 39 ORAP Pe-2 losses:
(They also had Yak-9D, Yak-9M and Yak-9R losses as well).

Pe-2 on December 11, 1944
Pe-2 on December 16, 1944
Pe-2 on January 3, 1945
Pe-2 on January 4, 1945
Pe-2 on January 16, 1945
Pe-2 on January 23, 1945
Pe-2 on January 29, 1945
Pe-2 on January 31, 1945
Pe-2 on February 4, 1945
Pe-2 on March 1, 1945
Pe-2 on March 20, 1945
Pe-2 on April 26, 1945
Pe-2 on April 30, 1945.

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Gabor
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Old 5th May 2018, 02:53
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Re: A-20 17 VA

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Hi Nick,
You are most welcome. Yes, I think your 'candidate' for January 18, 1945 was 511 ORAP Pe-2, S/N: 15/248.

By the way, the Pe-2 serial numbers were painted on the tail surfaces with a horizontal line. See pic of 511 ORAP Pe-2, S/N: 5/308, which was listed in all of my Pe-2 service lists and most likely survived the war:

October 1, 1944
January 1, 1945
April 1, 1945
May 1, 1945.

On May 1, 1945 her tactical tail No. was '29', engine serials: 41-4916 and 41-4859.

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Gabor
Hi Gabor, is there any chance of some crew details (names and fates) for the guys that were flying 15/248?
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Old 5th May 2018, 03:12
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Sorry, I have no crew details for 15/248, only for 11/196 on January 6, 1945:

ст.л-т Еремин Виталий Михайлович (MIA)
ст.л-т Гончарук Василий Федосеевич (MIA)
с-а Мухтарулин (MIA)

I assume there was no casualty on 15/248, or at least personnel records do not mention them. Soviet records -unlike the American MACRs- do not always report everything in one folder, because eg. the mechanical/maintenance reports do not mention the crews, while combat reports do not always report serials, etc. To get a full view of the event, we must get all possible records together which definitely makes it more difficult.
Gabor
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Old 3rd July 2018, 13:03
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Yugoslavs and Russians, almost certainly Sombor...
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