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Old 1st May 2018, 16:40
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Understand that he brought Ragulin down while newly appointed as JG 53 Komodore ?
Is Ragulrin buried in Budapest ?

Secondly do you firm dates when he arrived from Krim in Romania ( 44) and Hungary ?
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Re: A-20 17 VA

1: yes
2: no known grave
3: no idea
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Re: A-20 17 VA

As into his precise reports also here I would be very
careful same as into his other JG52 collegues ,Russian and
American counterparts claims during WWII.

Example :

Out of his 12 claims over Moldova and Romania only
5 are completely accurate including a Lib of 376th BG.

On 31.5.44 he claimed at Brusila a PE-2 though this
aircraft was on engine test flight unarmmed which attacked
and claimed by numerous other pilots of his group. Same
about the remaining IL-2's , P-39 and YAK 7 claimed by
him while on 27.6.44 no IL-2 were lost by 5 and 17 VA !

PS : the PE-2 was in dirty configuration for landing
( flaps and gear extended) when attacked by
3 ME-109

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Old 2nd May 2018, 14:46
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Gabor

May I ask if 7153100 should be interpreted as aircraft 100 of batch 7 from factory 153? If yes, why was it not called 07153100?

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Old 2nd May 2018, 16:21
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Re: A-20 17 VA

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As into his precise reports also here I would be very
careful same as into his other JG52 collegues ,Russian and
American counterparts claims during WWII.

Example :

Out of his 12 claims over Moldova and Romania only
5 are completely accurate including a Lib of 376th BG.

On 31.5.44 he claimed at Brusila a PE-2 though this
aircraft was on engine test flight unarmmed which attacked
and claimed by numerous other pilots of his group. Same
about the remaining IL-2's , P-39 and YAK 7 claimed by
him while on 27.6.44 no IL-2 were lost by 5 and 17 VA !

PS : the PE-2 was in dirty configuration for landing
( flaps and gear extended) when attacked by
3 ME-109

Alex K
Hi Alex, are there any other details that you can share with us?
Was this Pe-2 from 511 ORAP, 5 VA? Crew of pilot Dyadov HSU
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Old 2nd May 2018, 17:00
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Hi Stig,

Thanks, it's a good point, it was 07153100 indeed! Sorry, Excel dropped the first digit 'zero' when I copied, so it was just a typo. It was Yak-9T, S/N: 07153100, plane No.100 of batch No.07 from Novosibirsk, factory No.153. Interestingly its marking was white '9', not '100'. Most planes, however, in 179 IAP by January 14, 1945 used the plane-in-batch number as tactical ID number in white with a few exceptions:

Yak-9T, 07153100: white '9' - sic!
Yak-9D, 10166027: white '10'
Yak-9M, 2815338: white '38'
Yak-9M, 3215337: white '37'
Yak-9M, 2515366: white '66'
Yak-9M, 2615313: white '19' - sic! - Engine No.: 33-2259, crashlanded on March 20, 1945 with Терентьев Алексей Николаевич onboard: "3:20 аэр Ниж. Карталы 4 Як-1 и Як-9 вылетел на сопровождение 6 Ил-2 92 ГШАП в р-н Чеп. После БЗ ошибка при посадке, уходя на второй круг сел на фюзеляж в 800 м от аэр и разбил самолет. Летчик цел."

(WWII Yak-9s after batch No.25 from Novosibirsk were Yak-9M models!)


Most of the 18 Yak-1Bs of 179 IAP by January 14, 1945 also used the plane-in-bach No.s as tactical numbers, here I list only the few exceptions:

Yak-1B, 03162: white '26'
Yak-1B, 08177: white '8' (not '08'!)
Yak-1B, 08179: white '8' (not '08'!)
Yak-1B, 47163: white '46' - Engine No.: 315-598, crashlanded on March 11, or 12, 1945 with л-т Король Василий Карпович onboard. "12:05 4 Як-1 на сопровождение 7 Ил-2 в р-н Диниеш. На маршруте ЮЗ Будапешт. Заметил масло на полу кабины и запах гари. Мотор сдал обороты. Развернулся в сторону аэр Вечеш и сел на фюзеляж не долетая 2 км до него. Самолет разбит, летчик цел. 24.3.45 поступил в 10 ОТЭР"

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Old 2nd May 2018, 17:06
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Re: A-20 17 VA

I checked my lists, but unfortunately my very first 511 ORAP Pe-2 loss record is for crashlanded Pe-2 on, or around September 11, 1944. (S/N: 2/150, engines: 325-576 and 63-31, авария, сдан в 109 БАО на запчасти.)

I have their losses AFTER this date, but no records for May-June.
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Re: A-20 17 VA

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I checked my lists, but unfortunately my very first 511 ORAP Pe-2 loss record is for crashlanded Pe-2 on, or around September 11, 1944. (S/N: 2/150, engines: 325-576 and 63-31, авария, сдан в 109 БАО на запчасти.)

I have their losses AFTER this date, but no records for May-June.
Hi Gabor,

Do you have any to share that were the result of German fighter action?

...You know how much this fascinates me
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Old 2nd May 2018, 17:40
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Re: A-20 17 VA

Hi Nick,

Yes, I have a few, but most of them just: "crashlanded", or "missing". Hard to determine the actual cause. It is a lot easier to check by date and see if there was any losses.

I have the full list of planes in 511 ORAP for May 1, 1945 by AC serials, engine serials & tail numbers (markings):

24 Pe-2s
2 UPe-2s (trainers)
1 Po-2 (messenger) biplane


For other dates I have the full list of 511 ORAP planes by serials only. For the same serials I assume markings (and perhaps one, or both engines) were the same as on May 1, 1945:

October 1, 1944: 24 Pe-2, 1 UPe-2, 3 Po-2
January 1, 1945: 24 Pe-2, 1 UPe-2
April 1, 1945: 25 Pe-2

(Lots of changes, transfers, etc. Same no. of planes does not mean they had no losses. Eg. 24 planes - 3 losses + 3 new planes are still = 24!)

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Re: A-20 17 VA

Hi Nick

Exactly was Dyadov ,near Singureni ( Iasi area ) on a PE-2
engine test flight (511 ORAP ) .

Let me know what other details you
need

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