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Old 29th June 2017, 20:40
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Alex,

thanks for your answer.
The 23/12/44 kill of Jones: I think you're right about it being scored is a Beau because the website indicates the first P-61 kill by 414 NFS was scored on 4/2/45. Andrew Thomas and Warren Thompson write that this unit scored 13 kills (of these five in the P-61). The Lutz kill you described fits in well if we assume that Clark's 26/11/43 kill and Anderson's 23/01/44 kill were half-shares with another unit, respectively.
Could you agree ?

Walter Groom and Harold Roth: all I can say that they must've existed.
http://417th-nightfighters.com/wp-co...VanLaecken.pdf

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Old 29th June 2017, 22:34
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael,
You refer to - "Andrew Thomas and Warren Thompson write" Where ?

If you look at my posts you will see that the Anderson/Armstrong claim on the 23/01/44 was a shared claim with Gamble/Owen, their joint victim was a Do217.

The list of 414NFS approved claims ( not therefore assumed) is on page 649 in the link I have in an earlier post. I have no wish to change anything to fit in with a particular view of events.

However I note that Gamble and Owen are not in the list, for now I cannot recall where I got them from . If not they that shared the Anderson/Armstrong claim of 23/01/44 then who ?

The other claim for that date was as noted in my earlier list, George/Penn, a He177K.

With regard to Groom and Roth, well we now know they existed and are not the Groom and Roth I noted earlier but they are not in the claims list so perhaps their claim(s,?) Was/were disallowed ?
What was the date of their claim(s ?).

All for now

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If the first claim in my 414NFS list by Jones/Rudovsky, dated 23/01/44 was as I suspected an error then we would indeed have a total of 13 claims,
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Old 3rd July 2017, 20:28
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Hello Michael,
You refer to - "Andrew Thomas and Warren Thompson write" Where ?
...it's OSPREY'S "American Nightfighter Aces of World War 1" page 53.
We need the official Victory Credit Board reports for the 414.-417. NFS.
Can we safely that Schlueter is the top USAAF Beaufigher pilot with 3 kills and Petry the top USAAF Beaufighter radar operator with 4 kills ?

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Old 3rd July 2017, 21:32
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Hello Michael,
The claims list .
See my earlier post (post number 2 ) I gave the link.
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Good morning Alex,

I finally managed to download and open the cool list.
Would you consider this list definite ?
The 414. NFS victory list looks like 8 Beau kills + 5 P-61 kills. No shared kills.
The Jones kill on 23/01/44 is not listed, also not in the section that is sorted by name.

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Old 9th October 2017, 11:37
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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Good morning Gentlemen,

I think the overall top American Beaufighter ace is Carl Johnson.
He scored 4+1shared kills for the 227.Squadron/RAF.
However, the decimal of his shared kill (22Sep1942) ain't clear.
Thomas/Thompson write it's a half-share whereas Shores/Williams write it's a 1/3 share.
Who can clarify that issue ?

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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

It is a 1/3rd share, on September 25, 1942 (not Sept 22). Reference: Malta Daily Intelligence Summary 462: Air 22/392 Part 3; No 227 Sqn ORB. Shared with F/Lt Peter L Underwood and his gunner, and P/O Richard A Wills and his gunner. Johnson's gunner on all his claims was P/O Leslie H Hunt.

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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

Good afternoon Frank,

thanks for your answer.
You're right about the date.
It was corrected by Shores in ACES HIGH VOl.2.

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Re: USAAF Beaufighters

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Hello Alex,

thanks a lot for your Beaufighter victory lists.
They match quite well with the data provided on oocities.org.
The main differences are:
  • 414.: the website implies that the kill by Jones on 23/12/44 was scored in a P-61
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All my research into NSG 9 indicated that it was a Beaufighter kill.
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The Operation Reports for the 414th NFS for December 1944 are in box 3756 of Entry 7A of Record Group 18 at NARA II, College Park, Maryland.

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