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Old 17th December 2010, 11:00
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ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

Hello,

I'm searching the ID of the AC and pilot that was shot down by Flak near Ouffets on 17 Dec 1944. The pilot, a Major, evaded capture.

From what can be seen in the pictures on this website http://www.stockamericain.net/produc...id_product=353, the P-47 was from 389th FS, 366th FG (code A6-), and his serial started with 42-2... but I have not found a candidate on the Internet P-47 database (http://p-47.database.pagesperso-oran...e/42-2xxxx.htm).

On the MACR list in December 1944, the only 366th loss with in the serial a 22 and a 6 in comparable places is the P-47 42-27369, MACR 11411, lost on 24 Dec 1944 but the pilot was killed.
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Old 17th December 2010, 11:54
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Re: ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

Laurent, I believe he did not evade capture, but rather crash-landed in friendly territory. That would explain no MACR. I just checked my database and no loss in December that would fit this P-47. So that is why I assume, he came down behind friendly lines. Danny
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Old 17th December 2010, 13:00
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Re: ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

You're right the source said that the pilot was helped by the locals and then picked up by the Americans.

So no MACR.

Hence the next question: does someone have a Major of 389th FS, 366th FG, crash-landing in this area on 17 December 1944, possibly after his two wingmen were shot down (AFAIK this is how it was reported by ground testimonies, and is not sure) ?
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Old 17th December 2010, 13:11
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Exclamation Re: ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

Hello gentleman ,
I have the following info :

13/09/1944
Wanne/Longbiermé
P-47D-28-RA
Belly landing
Strafing teh bridge over the Ambleve River near Cheneux
42-28460 3
65FG/388FS
C4-R
City of Healdsburg
A-84
1st Lt Read John R 0-887256 ( EVD )
It seems that pieces of this aircraft are on display at the museum at La Gleize.

Regards
Alain57
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Old 17th December 2010, 14:33
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Re: ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

Two accidents with a s/n of 42-2???6 (same plane?), one dated 12-19-44.



44/10/28 P-47D 42-26346 389FS 366FG A70 9 TOASF 3 Stinson, Robert W Laon (Couvron)/A-70
TOASF Take Off Accident Structural Failure


44/12/19 P-47D 42-26346 389FS 366FG Y29 9 LACW 4 Angove, Garfield G Asch/Y-29
LACW Landing Accident due to Weather
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Old 20th December 2010, 12:07
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Re: ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

Thanks for the reply,

As often, the story as written by "witnesses" is difficult to confirm in official documents.

I wonder if the displayed pictures on the website are the good ones, or were just put there by the seller.
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Old 24th December 2010, 22:07
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Re: ID of P-47 crashed in Ouffets, Belgium, on 17 Dec 1944

The plane is question is 42-27216 and date was December 27, 1944. Pilot was Lt. James W. Pinkerton.
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