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Old 20th November 2019, 04:07
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Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

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Just got in the mail the book OUT IN FRONT A Polish Fighter Pilots dramatic air war by Witold Lanny Lanowski who flew in the PAF, RAF and USAAF. my problem is the mention of two kill credits with the RAF .but so far I have found no reference in any of the book i have to include C. Shore Books on Aces. Or I am missing something here?
He served in No.317 and later in No.302 Polish Air Force but found no claims from him there, all his USAAF claims are there and mentioned. Any input ?

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Old 20th November 2019, 10:03
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

Hello,

You're missing something! See: Frank Olynyk's, Stars And Bars (p.393).

LANOWSKI, Witold Aleksander.

According to the first edition of Aces High, he was credited with two victories while serving with the RAF. However, no documentation can be found, and he told me that he was told the he had had two victories confirmed while in the RAF, but that he knew nothing beyond that of these two victories.

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Old 20th November 2019, 11:33
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

Agreed. Lanowski never gives any details of any claims with the RAF, including probables or damaged. None of my sources indicate he made claims of any type, but was certainly an experienced pilot although I am not sure of how much of this was combat related. He did not see action in Poland or France as far as I am aware. By the time he was attached/transferred to the USAAF. He appears to have blossomed under US command.

I know that he appears to have had issues with the Polish Government-in-exile which impacted on his career when he arrived in the UK.

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Old 20th November 2019, 19:01
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

Good Morning
Thank you Col. and Keith for your comments I sure miss it, since I was looking under RAF not USAAF. but if he had two kills under RAF command he would have been in Shores Other Eagles book for the pilot with 2-4 claims to their credits. hhmmmmmmm......
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Old 21st November 2019, 02:26
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

There should be a paper trail for this man.


http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/237987
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Old 21st November 2019, 04:44
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

Hello,

There is a very long paper trail on Lanowski!

In his book, Aces & Wingmen II (Aviation-Usk,1989, Vol.1, pp.50-60), Danny Morris wrote up an 11-page, Illustrated biography of Witold Lanowski. He detailed his life story, including his troubles with the Polish, RAF and USAAF authorities.There are lengthy extracts, seemingly from Lanowski's Log Books (with combat reports), on his USAAF service.

Lanowski's RAF service included, service as an instructor, then to 308 Squadron, joining them in December 1941. His subsequent postings were, 317 (Polish) Sqn in January 1942, Fighter Leaders School in April 1943 and 302 Sqn., as a flight commander, in May 1943.
His USAAF service details are well recorded, but here's the rub on his service with the RAF.

"Lanowski flew his first RAF sortie on April 2, 1942 and until February 22, 1944 flew a total of 97 combat missions totalling 220 hours and destroyed two German aircraft."

Morris does not elaborate (nor does Lanowski), on these two victories, he just mentions them in passing.

There is much more to be said on Lanowski, including his later UK naturalisation, and subsequent re-entry into the RAF (Including surviving a take-off crash at Fassberg, Germany, in 147 Sqn Venom WE385, on 13 May, 1955*).

* http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/20574

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Old 21st November 2019, 10:38
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

"Aces and Wingmen" was where I encountered Lanowski first. It always surprised me that he failed to register any victories during his spell as an operational pilot. His RAF career seems undistinguished in statistical terms, but he must have been a useful pilot to gain promotion to flight commander.
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Re: Issues with claims by Capt. W Lanowski PAF

What about his claims with the PAF, with which unit and when did they were scored?
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