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Old 14th January 2007, 06:44
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Hi,

Scrable book by Jan van Waarde has serial 50-0668
while the KORWALD site has 50-668.

Which is correct ?

Alex

ps
the Jan van Waarde book by Scramble is - US Military Aircraft Mishaps 195-0-2004 and has the Vietnam US losses as well as Very much more.

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Old 14th January 2007, 07:33
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

US Air-to-Air Losses in the Vietnam War


Last revised: June 9 2002
Quite a bit has been written about aerial combat that took place during the United States' military involvement in Vietnam. This list attempts to bring information together from numerous sources, so as to provide an accounting of all air-to-air losses of American aircraft. Some information on this list is controversial, as it is in disagreement with US DoD claims (no B-52s were downed in air-air action, etc.). After considering the validity of the sources involved, all claims made by reputable parties have been included.
Two notes:
  • "Not confirmed" means the loss has been claimed by the North Vietnamese, but the loss does not appear in US records.
  • "Attributed to" means that the loss is attributed to a different cause than claimed by the North Vietnamese.
We believe that this list by no means complete. We welcome and information that others might be able to provide.
A note on sources. Information from the following sources was used to prepare this list:
MIA and PoW accounting information available on the Internet.
Vietnam Air Losses, by Chris Hobson, Midland Publishing, 2001. Perhaps the ultimate source, but lacking US Army losses.
Air War Over North Viet Nam; The Vietnamese People's Air Force 1949-1977, by Dr. Istvan Toperczer, Squadron/Signal Publications, 1998. A book prepared from information provided by the Vietnamese People's Air Force. This book contains a list of air-to-air victories claimed by North Vietnamese pilots.
MiG-17 and MiG-19 Units of the Vietnam War, by Dr. Istvan Toperczer, Osprey Publishing, 2001.
MiG-21 Units of the Vietnam War, by Dr. Istvan Toperczer, Osprey Publishing, 2001.
Clashes; Air Combat Over North Vietnam 1965-1972, by Marshall L. Michell III, Naval Institute Press, 1997. An excellent source of information on US losses.
Wings of Fame, Vol. 8, article on MiG-17 units and Vol 11 on MiG-19 units, Aerospace publishing/AIRtime
Fighter Combat In The Jet Age, by David C. Isby, HarperCollins, 1997
Air War Hanoi, by Robert F. Dorr, 1988
One Day in a Long War: May 10, 1972 by Jeffrey Ethell and Alfred Price, Random House, 1989
Air International magazine, article and reader's letters, from Feb 1990
Roll Call Thud, by John Campbell, Schiffer, 1996
Journey Into Darkness, by Philip Smith an Peggy Herz, Pocket Books, 1992
...And Kill MiGs, by Lou Drendel, Squadron/Signal Publications, 1997
Lightning Bugs and Other Reconnaissance Drones, by William Wagner, Aero Publishers, 1982
History of China's Aviation, by Jun Yao, et al., Beijing, China, 1998
US Losses By Date

Date Victim Crew Service Victor Weapon Country Pilot(s) Source Comments 16-Feb-64 C-123 USA T-28 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Ba Toperczer One survivor 15-Nov-64 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China Kaitong Xu Yao/Wagner 02-Jan-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF PR China Huailian Zhang 24-Mar-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China Xiangyi Wang Yao 31-Mar-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China Jicheng Su Yao/Wagner 03-Apr-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG PR China Xiaohai Dong Yao/Wagner 03-Apr-65 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Phan Van Tuc Toperczer Not confirmed 04-Apr-65 F-105D Bennett USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tran Hanh WoF 04-Apr-65 F-105D Magnusson USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Le Min Huan WoF 09-Apr-65 F-4B Murphy/Fegan USN F-4B AIM-7 USA Lost while in combat with PRoC MiG-17s 18-Apr-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF PR China Huailian Zhang 17-Jun-65 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Le Trong Long Toperczer Not confirmed 17-Jun-65 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 20-Jun-65 A-1H USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 20-Jun-65 A-1H USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 20-Jun-65 F-4C Kari/Briggs USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer 20-Jul-65 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 03-Aug-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China 21-Aug-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China Jicheng Su Yao 20-Sep-65 F-104C Smith USAF MiG-19 Cannon PR China Gao Xiang Smith/Yao 20-Sep-65 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Nhat Chieu Toperczer Not confirmed 05-Oct-65 F-104C or RA-3 USAF MiG PR China Yunbao Zhang Isby/Yao Not confirmed 14-Oct-65 F-105D Schuler USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Roll Call 06-Nov-65 CH-3C Lilly/Singleton/Naugle/Cormier USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Hanh/Hung/Lan/Phuong Toperczer Attributed to ground fire 24-Dec-65 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China Yilong Zhu Yao/Wagner 03-Jan-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 PR China Xiangxiao Lu Yao/Wagner 03-Feb-66 A-1H USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Lam Van Lich Toperczer Not confirmed 03-Feb-66 A-1H USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Lam Van Lich Toperczer Not confirmed 07-Feb-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Quanmin Feng Yao/Wagner 04-Mar-66 F-4 USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ngo Duc Mai Toperczer Not confirmed 04-Mar-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Nhi Toperczer 05-Mar-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Xiaoqing Sun Yao/Wagner 14-Mar-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Nhi Toperczer/Wagner 23-Mar-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Yilong Zhu Yao/Wagner 12-Apr-66 KA-3B Gleason/Jordan/Harris/Pugh USN MiG Cannon PR China Laixi Li Yao 25-Apr-66 RF-4C Anderson/Tucker USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ho Van Quy Toperczer 26-Apr-66 F-4C USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ho Van Quy Toperczer Not confirmed 26-Apr-66 F-4C USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ho Van Quy Toperczer Not confirmed 29-Apr-66 A-1E Boston USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Drendel 29-Apr-66 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China 05-Jun-66 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 923 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 05-Jun-66 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 923 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 07-Jun-66 F-105D Bayles USAF MiG-21 Rocket N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to AAA 09-Jun-66 F-4 MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 09-Jun-66 F-4 MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 21-Jun-66 F-8E Black USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Trung/Duong/Tan/Bay/Tuc Attributed to AAA 21-Jun-66 RF-8A Eastman USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Trung/Duong/Tan/Bay/Tuc WoF Attributed to AAA 29-Jun-66 F-105D Jones USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Huyen/Man/Bay/Tuc WoF Attributed to AAA 29-Jun-66 F-105 USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Huyen/Man/Bay/Tuc Toperczer Not confirmed 07-Jul-66 F-105D Tomes USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Tran Ngoc Xiu Toperczer Attributed to AAA 11-Jul-66 F-105D McLelland USAF MiG-21 Fuel N. Vietnam Dinh/Song Drendel/Toperczer 13-Jul-66 Unknown MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Phan Than Trung Toperczer Not confirmed 14-Jul-66 F-8E Bellinger USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ngo Duc Mai WoF 19-Jul-66 F-105D Diamond USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Vo Van Man RollCall 19-Jul-66 F-105D Steere USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Bien Toperczer Attributed to AAA 19-Jul-66 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Ba Dich Toperczer Not confirmed 29-Jul-66 RC-47 Conklin/Hoskinson+6 USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Luu Huy Chao Isby 05-Sep-66 F-8E Abbott (USAF) USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 923 Regiment Toperczer 05-Sep-66 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 923 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 16-Sep-66 F-4C Robertson/Buchana USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam PoW-MIA 21-Sep-66 F-4C Kellems/Thomas USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Dorr 21-Sep-66 F-105D Ammon USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to AAA 05-Oct-66 F-4C Garland/Andrews USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 09-Oct-66 F-4B Tanner/Terry USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Minh Michel Attributed to AAA 09-Oct-66 F-4 USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Minh Toperczer Not confirmed 02-Dec-66 F-4C Burns/Ducat USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to SAM 02-Dec-66 F-4C Flesher/Berger USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to SAM 02-Dec-66 F-105D Moorberg USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to AAA 05-Dec-66 F-105D Begley USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam PoW-MIA Toperczer: MiG-21 05-Dec-66 F-105 or F-4 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 08-Dec-66 F-105D Asire USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Hobson Toperczer: MiG-21 08-Dec-66 F-105D USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 14-Dec-66 F-105D Cooley USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Dong Van De Michel 14-Dec-66 F-105D USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 14-Dec-66 F-105D USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 05-Feb-67 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 26-Mar-67 F-4C Crow/Fowler USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to SAM 14-Apr-67 F-4B USN MiG PR China Yimin Song Yao Not confirmed 19-Apr-67 F-105F Madison/Sterling USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 19-Apr-67 F-105 USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 19-Apr-67 A-1E Hamilton USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tan/Tho/Trung Michel 19-Apr-67 A-1H MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tan/Tho/Trung Toperczer Not confirmed 24-Apr-67 F-4C Knapp/Austin USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Man/Dich/Bay/Hon Toperczer Attributed to AAA 24-Apr-67 F-4B Southwick/Laing USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Toai/Hai/Chao/Ky Toperczer 24-Apr-67 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Man/Dich/Bay/Hon Toperczer Not confirmed 25-Apr-67 A-4C Stackhouse USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Bay/Hon/Bon/Dich Dorr/WoF 25-Apr-67 A-4E Crebo USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Bay/Hon/Bon/Dich Toperczer Attributed to SAM 25-Apr-67 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Bay/Hon/Bon/Dich Toperczer Not confirmed 25-Apr-67 F-105 Weskamp USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Toai/Hai/Chao/Ky Toperczer Attributed to SAM or AAA 28-Apr-67 F-105D Caras USAF MiG-21 Cannon N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 29-Apr-67 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG PR China Jintang Zhang Yao 30-Apr-67 F-105D Abbott,J USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Toperczer 30-Apr-67 F-105F Thorsness/Johnson USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Le Trong Huyen Toperczer 30-Apr-67 F-105D Abbott,R USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Ngoc Do Toperczer 30-Apr-67 F-105 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Vu Ngoc Dinh Toperczer Not confirmed 12-May-67 F-4C Gaddis/Jefferson USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ngo Duc Mai Michel 12-May-67 F-105F Pitman/Stewart USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Huyen/Song Toperczer 12-May-67 F-105 Grenzebach USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tan/Tho Toperczer Attributed to AAA 12-May-67 F-4C USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tinh/Hai/Mai/Ky Toperczer Not confirmed 12-May-67 F-4C USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tinh/Hai/Mai/Ky Toperczer Not confirmed 19-May-67 F-4B Plumb/Anderson USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Phan Thanh Tai Toperczer Attributed to SAM 19-May-67 F-4B Rich/Stark USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Ngyuen Huu Diet Toperczer Attributed to SAM 20-May-67 F-4C Van Loan/Milligan USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tai/Diet Michel 22-May-67 F-4C Perrine/Backus USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Dang Ngoc Ngu Toperczer Attributed to AAA 12-Jun-67 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Guangcai Liu Yao 26-Jun-67 F-4C Blandord/Jarvis USAF MiG-17 Cannon PR China Jiliang Lu/Zhushu Wang Isby/Yao 11-Jul-67 A-4 USN MiG-21 N. Vietnam Huyen/Song Toperczer Not confirmed 17-Jul-67 F-8 USN MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Nhat Chieu Toperczer Not confirmed 20-Jul-67 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam Do/Ngan Toperczer Not confirmed 26-Jul-67 RF-4C Corbitt/Bare USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer 09-Aug-67 RF-4C Lengyel/Myers USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer 21-Aug-67 A-6A Scott/Trembley USN MiG-19 Cannon PR China Ruijie Han PoW-MIA/Yao 21-Aug-67 A-6A Buckley/Flynn USN MiG-19 Cannon PR China Fengxia Chen PoW-MIA/Yao 23-Aug-67 F-4C Tyler/Sittner USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Michel 23-Aug-67 F-4C Carrigan/Lane USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tho/Diep Toperczer 23-Aug-67 F-105 Baker USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Nhat Chieu Toperczer Attributed to AAA 23-Aug-67 F-105 USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Cao Thanh Tinh Toperczer Not confirmed 23-Aug-67 F-105 USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Cao Thanh Tinh Toperczer Not confirmed 23-Aug-67 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Tinh/Phong/Diep Toperczer Not confirmed 16-Sep-67 RF-101C Bagley USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Ngoc Do Michel 16-Sep-67 RF-101C Patterson USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Pam Thanh Ngan Toperczer Attributed to AAA 17-Sep-67 RF-4C Stavast/Venanzi USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to SAM 03-Oct-67 F-4D Moore/Gulbrandson USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 07-Oct-67 F-105F Howard/Shamblee USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Michel 09-Oct-67 F-105D Clements USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Roll Call 25-Oct-67 F-105 Horinek USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Huu Tao Toperczer Attributed to AAA 08-Nov-67 F-4D Gordon/Brenneman USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Nhi Michel 08-Nov-67 F-4 MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Dang Kinh Toperczer Not confirmed 18-Nov-67 F-105F Dardeau/Lenhoff USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Michel 18-Nov-67 F-105D Reed USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 19-Nov-67 F-4B Clower/Estes USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Le Hai Michel Attributed to Atoll 19-Nov-67 F-4B Teague/Stier USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Din Phuc Michel 19-Nov-67 F-4B USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Phi Hung Toperczer Not confirmed 19-Nov-67 EB-66 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Dinh/Kinh Toperczer Not confirmed 20-Nov-67 F-105D Butler USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc? Michel 12-Dec-67 F-105 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 14-Dec-67 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Toperczer Not confirmed 16-Dec-67 F-4D Low/Hill USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 17-Dec-67 F-105D Ellis USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vu Ngoc Dnh Michel 17-Dec-67 F-105 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vu Ngoc Dinh Toperczer Not confirmed 17-Dec-67 F-105 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Nhi Toperczer Not confirmed 17-Dec-67 F-4D Fleenor/Boyer USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Michel 17-Dec-67 F-4C Brett/Smith USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Toperczer Attributed to AAA 19-Dec-67 F-105 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Toperczer Not confirmed 19-Dec-67 Unknown MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 19-Dec-67 Unknown MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 19-Dec-67 Unknown MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 03-Jan-68 F-105 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Bui Duc Nhu Toperczer Not confirmed 03-Jan-68 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Bui Van Suu Toperczer Not confirmed 03-Jan-68 F-105 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Ha Van Chuc Toperczer Not confirmed 03-Jan-68 F-105D Bean USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Dang Kinh Michel 05-Jan-68 F-105F Hartney/Fantle USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Michel 14-Jan-68 EB-66C Mercer/Terrel +5 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Kinh/Song Michel Isby: MiG-17/Alkali 14-Jan-68 F-105D Horne USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 18-Jan-68 F-4D Simonet/Smith USAF N. Vietnam Drendel 18-Jan-68 F-4D Hinckley/Jones USAF N. Vietnam Drendel 20-Jan-68 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Yongwu Han/Yongcheng Zhou Yao/Wagner 03-Feb-68 F-102A Wiggins USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Michel 04-Feb-68 F-105D Lasiter USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Michel 14-Feb-68 A-1H Dunn USN MiG-17 PR China Wulu Chen/Shunyi Wang Isby/Yao 23-Feb-68 F-4D Gutterson/Donald USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vu Ngoc Dinh Michel 03-Mar-68 EB-66 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Kinh/Thuan Toperczer Not confirmed 07-Mar-68 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Wenxing Jiang/Zhiyao Wang Yao/Wagner 15-Mar-68 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Zhixin Wang/Enhua Zhang Yao/Wagner 18-Apr-68 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-19 PR China Huailan Zhang Yao/Wagner 07-May-68 F-4B Christensen/Kramer USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Michel 14-Jun-68 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Le Hai Toperczer Not confirmed 14-Jun-68 F-4 MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Luu Huy Chao Toperczer Not confirmed 16-Jun-68 F-4J Wilber/Rupinski USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Dinh Ton Michel 19-Jul-68 F-8 USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Le Hai Toperczer Not confirmed 01-Aug-68 F-8 USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Nhi Toperczer Not confirmed 17-Aug-68 F-4B Gartley/Mayhew USN F-4B AIM-9 USA Michel 19-Sep-68 F-8C USN MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 21-Sep-68 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Dang Kinh Toperczer 26-Oct-68 F-4 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 20-Dec-69 OV-1 Long USA MiG N. Vietnam ??-Dec-69 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Toperczer ??-Dec-69 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Coc Toperczer 18-Jan-70 F-4 USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Phan Dinh Tuan Toperczer Not confirmed 28-Jan-70 HH-53B Bell/Leeser +4 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vu Ngoc Dinh Michel 10-Feb-70 AQM-34 Unmanned USN MiG-19 PR China Deqi Qi/Xincheng Zhou Yao/Wagner ??-???-71 UH-1 USA MiG-17 N. Vietnam 09-Mar-71 AQM-34 Unmanned USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Luong Duc Truong Toperczer 18-Dec-71 F-4D Johnson/Vaughn USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Le Thanh Dao Drendel 18-Dec-71 F-4D Stanley/O'Brien USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vo Si Giap Drendel 18-Dec-71 F-4D Hildebrand/Wells USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Michel 27-Apr-72 F-4B Molinare/Souder USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Hoang Quoc Dung Michel 08-May-72 F-4 MiG-19 N. Vietnam Nguyen Ngoc Tiep Toperczer Not confirmed 08-May-72 F-4 MiG-19 N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Son Toperczer Not confirmed 10-May-72 F-4D Harris/Wilkinson USAF MiG-19 Cannon N. Vietnam Pham Hung Son Ethell/Price 10-May-72 F-4D Lodge/Locher USAF MiG-19 Cannon N. Vietnam Nguyen Manh Tung Ethell/Price 10-May-72 F-4E USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Dang Ngoc Ngu Toperczer Not confirmed 10-May-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 10-May-72 F-4J Blackburn/Rudloff USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Le Thanh Dao Toperczer Attributed to AAA 10-May-72 F-4J Cunningham/Driscoll USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vu Duc Hop Toperczer Attributed to SAM 11-May-72 F-105G Talley/Padgett USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Ngo Duy Thu Michel 11-May-72 F-4D Kittinger/Reich USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Ngo Van Phu Michel 18-May-72 F-4D Ratzel/Bednarek USAF MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam 923 Regiment Toperczer 18-May-72 F-4 MiG-19 N. Vietnam 925 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 18-May-72 F-4 MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Nhi Toperczer Not confirmed 20-May-72 F-4D Markle/Williams USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Do Van Linh Michel Attributed to stall/spin 23-May-72 A-7 Barnett USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Soat O'Connor Attributed to SAM 23-May-72 F-4D Byrns/Bean USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Attributed to AAA 23-May-72 F-4 MiG-19 N. Vietnam Pham Hong Son Toperczer Not confirmed 23-May-72 F-4 MiG-19 N. Vietnam Nguyen Hong Son Toperczer Not confirmed 24-May-72 F-8J Beeler USN N. Vietnam Drendel Attributed to SAM 01-Jun-72 F-4E Hawks/Dingee USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Pham Phu Thai Toperczer Attributed to SAM 13-Jun-72 F-4D Hanson/Fulton USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Pham Phu Thai Michel 13-Jun-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam Do Van Lanh Toperczer Not confirmed 21-Jun-72 F-4D Rose/Callaghan USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Do Van Lanh Michel 23-Jun-72 F-4D USAF MiG-21 other N. Vietnam Michel Stall/spin - Not confirmed 24-Jun-72 F-4C Grant/Beekman USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Soat Michel 24-Jun-72 F-4C McCarty/Jackson USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Nghia Toperczer 24-Jun-72 F-4 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Ngo Duy Thu Toperczer Not confirmed 26-Jun-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 27-Jun-72 F-4E Cerak/Dingee USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Soat Michel 27-Jun-72 F-4E Miller/McDow USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Bui Thanh Liem Michel 27-Jun-72 F-4E Aikman/Hanton USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Pham Phu Thai Michel 27-Jun-72 F-4E Sullivan/Francis USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Nhu Toperczer Attributed to SAM 27-Jun-72 F-4 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Ngo Duy Thu Toperczer Not confirmed 05-Jul-72 F-4E Elander/Logan USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Ha Vinh Thanh Air Int 05-Jul-72 F-4E Spenser/Seek USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Tien Sam Michel 08-Jul-72 F-4E Ross/Imaye USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Dang Ngoc Ngu Michel 10-Jul-72 F-4J Randall/Masterson USN MiG-17 Cannon N. Vietnam Han Vinh Tuong Toperczer Possibly MiG-21 24-Jul-72 F-4E Hodnett/Fallert USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Tien Sam Hobson 24-Jul-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam Ha Vinh Thanh Toperczer Not confirmed 24-Jul-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam Le Thanh Dao Toperczer Not confirmed 24-Jul-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam Trong Ton Toperczer Not confirmed 29-Jul-72 F-4E Kula/Matsui USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Nguyen Tien Sam Michel 29-Jul-72 F-105G Coady/Murphy USAF F-105G AIM-9 USA Hobson Own missile 30-Jul-72 F-4E Brooks/McAdams USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Soat Hobson 26-Aug-72 F-4J Cordova/Borders USMC MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Soat 09-Sep-72 F-4E Dalecky/Murphy USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Do Van Lanh Toperczer Attributed to AAA 11-Sep-72 F-4D Ratzlaff/Heeren USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Le Thanh Dao Michel 12-Sep-72 F-4E Zuberbuhler/McMurray USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Tien Sam Michel 01-Oct-72 F-4D USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Michel Not confirmed 05-Oct-72 F-4D Lewis/Alpers USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Tien Sam Toperczer 06-Oct-72 F-4E Anderson/Latella USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Van Nghia Toperczer Attributed to SAM 12-Oct-72 F-4D Young/Brunson USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Nguyen Duc Soat Michel 23-Dec-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 23-Dec-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 23-Dec-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 23-Dec-72 F-4 MiG-21 N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Toperczer Not confirmed 27-Dec-72 B-52 Morris+6 USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Pham Tuan Toperczer Attributed to SAM 27-Dec-72 F-4E Anderson/Ward USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Tran Viet Michel 27-Dec-72 F-4E Jefcoat/Trimble USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Tran Viet Michel 27-Dec-72 F-4E USAF MiG-21 N. Vietnam Tran Viet Toperczer Not confirmed 28-Dec-72 B-52 Lewis USAF MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam Vu Xuan Thieu Toperczer Attributed to SAM 28-Dec-72 RA-5C Agnew/Haifley USN MiG-21 Atoll N. Vietnam 921 Regiment Dorr

Created and maintaned by David Lednicer and Adrian Camp

I managed to save this in my files some time ago.
The one with claims over the Vietnamese is lost now from my files.
Hope it is of use.I make apologies to both David Lednicer and Adrian Camp if this webpage is still alive . I have not recently been able to find it outside of my saved files. If both websites are still out on the web then please can someone let me have their new links.
Thank you
Alex
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Old 16th January 2007, 04:27
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Guy has done a lot of research on Korean War air combat; might be worth checking out his site.

http://www.acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Graham Hulse served with 122 in 1942, 81 Sqn in 1942-3 and then (I believe) in 93 Sqn 1943-44. He was shot down in 1944 but evaded.

In 1945 he returned to action with 213 Sqn flying Mustang IV. Evidence found post war would raise his two "damaged" claims to "destroyed".
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Wing COmmander Baldwin was featured in "NOVA Missing in Mig Alley"

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/korea/air-war.html
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Somers...hPost1945.html
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

There is a gun camera sequence that shows the shoot down of Sq Ldr Hulse. Its an amazing sequennce that shows Sq Ldr Hulse passing the Mig-15 which fires his cannons and blows Hulse's F-86s wing off.

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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Hello,

Anyone have the Korean War Air Loss Database (KORWALD).htm site details ?

From what I understand the DPMO no longer support the site.

Much info on aircraft and pilots/crews including ROKAF, RAAF, RAF RN as well as US was a great help but is sadly no longer available (as far as I know-unless it is at another address ?).

Any help welcome.
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Alex,

Perhaps try this: http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/korea/reports/air/korwald_afct.htm

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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

By the way, Graham Hulse flew briefly with 94 Squadron in late 1944, before joining 213 Sqn seeing action in the Greek Civil War operations.
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Re: Pilots Missing Over Korea 1952/53

Hello Leendert,

Thank you, yes that is the site that I could not find.

Many thanks for your help.

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