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4th August 2005, 17:23
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Soviet? wreck photo on German e-bay
Hello
Could someone identify the photo # 6196773901 - which type is it? Is it Soviet - Polikarpov? my knowledge is unfortunately 'lacking' thanks Graham W.
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5th August 2005, 11:23
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Re: Soviet? wreck photo on German e-bay
It is a Yakovlev AIR 15, or UT-1 single-seat trainer.
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5th August 2005, 21:46
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yakity yak - don't talk back... but
Hi Graham B
Your suggestions are welcomed but I am not convinced. OK what I know about inter-war Soviet light aeroplanes could be written on the back of a small postage stamp with a thick 2B pencil but..... This is not a UTI 1 or 2 - it has retracting undercart and polikarpovryish doors to cover 'em. I have never seen a picture of a pre-war Yak 15 - only the post-war jet. I thought it might be a Russian R10 or Vultee V11 copy - but it seems too small. The smooth cowling baffles me as does the cockpit frame position. not to mention the average Wehrmacht soldier's ability to stand/sit in exactly the wrong place for posterity. ;-( Graham W.
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6th August 2005, 11:33
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Re: Soviet? wreck photo on German e-bay
It is a Neman R-10.
Lennart Andersson
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6th August 2005, 22:32
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hmmmmmmmmmmm......
Hello Lennart,
It is comforting to know that other people make the same choice.. but.. I am still not sure, this wreck has a cowling which blends into the fuselage. and the u/c doors do not match anything I have seen for an R10. Similarly I thought the R10 had a shuttered front cowl similar to a "Rata" oh dear..... Graham
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7th August 2005, 18:43
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Re: Soviet? wreck photo on German e-bay
That particular airplane must have been 'parked' near a well-travelled road, as it was photographed from all angles by German soldiers. Myself have several photos of it.
I concur with Mr. Andersson, that it is a Neman R-10. Check out the 3-view drawing included in the Putnam book on Soviet Aircraft and Aviation, p. 183, book written by... Lennart Andersson.
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7th August 2005, 23:49
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thank you!
Thank you Dénes, Lennart & Graham B
clearly yet another book that I should have............. sigh.............. my only 3-view is in A.F.P. vol 2 - which I must presume is quite 'dated' by now Graham
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8th August 2005, 11:15
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Re: Soviet? wreck photo on German e-bay
Apologies: I was clearly looking at the wrong photo. I assure you that the one I was looking at was an AIR-15!
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9th August 2005, 00:44
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Re: Soviet? wreck photo on German e-bay
Steady on thur chuck!
tis I who has put his foot in it. Evidently if I had spent my dosh on books rather than ale - then I would have known what this bloody aeroplane was. Having said that - your ruddy AIR 15 seems a reet awkard bugger to find on the www. Eh up, lad! it'll all cum owt right in the wash... Graham W 2 G B (eeh baah gum / up & over - us's vrum Devon bay...)
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