VVS operations 6-8 may & 8-10 june 1943, claims and losses.

[Evgeny Velichko]

Slavyanks - (it is nowday name because it became sity, during WW II it was a village and called Slavyanskaya) is placed in Kuban region, as far as I know.

The main thing I suggest in this thread, gents:

- trying to find out actual Luftwaffe losses ON THE GROUND among all airfields wich came under attack (it will show a rate of Efficiency of attacks);

- trying to confirm claims of Luftwaffe fighter pilots (it could be done already with June raids, as it is described fully);

- trying to confirm air-to-air claims of VVS fighters+shturmoviks+bombers;

[Nokose]

Since Denes advised that two Rumanian Bf-109G's were damaged in the area Kramatorsk on the 06May43. Can anyone advise if III/JG3 had any Bf-109's losses or damaged in the 05:03 raid?

[Nikita Egorov]

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko

Slavyanks - (it is nowday name because it became sity, during WW II it was a village and called Slavyanskaya) is placed in Kuban region, as far as I know.

Slavyansk is a town in Donetsk region (Ukraine). It has nothing in common with Slavyanskaya.

[Evgeny Velichko]

O Hallo, Nikita

Didnt knew that, sorry.

[Nokose]

Denes, Did the Hungarian 5/1. FS suffer any damage or losses on the 06May43? I read that they were stationed at Kharkov-Osnova. Has any one been able to find any losses or damages for the III/JG3 in the Kramatorskaya area for 0:503?

[Leo Etgen]

Hi guys

According to Anders/Held, JG 51 did not suffer any pilots killed from 6 through 8 May 1943. This does not mean that the unit did not suffer any losses, as it is known that Oberfeldwebel Kurt Tanzer (128 victories, RK) of 12./JG 51 was badly injured on 6 May in aerial combat with Il-2 Sturmoviks and fighters although he did claim four victories during the fray. He managed to land his shot up Fw 190 A-4 "Brown 7" (W.Nr. 0147 161) but was out of action until 4 November 1943.

Horrido!

Leo

[Nokose]

Russian ace Sergei Grigoryevich Glinkin of the 5GIAP was flying a La-5 on the raid to Kramatorsk on the 06May43 at05:03. He claimed I believe his first two victories on that mission. He might have been the wingman for ace Lt. Ivan Kildyushev.

[Evgeny Velichko]

2 - Raid to attack airfield Borovskoye (19:20-19:25)

6 x Il-2 (leader Ml.Ltn. Egorov, 62 shap) with close escort of 4 x Yak-1 (122 iap)
4 x Il-2 (leader St.Lt. Alferov, 312 shap) with close escort of 2 x La-5 (49 iap)

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Road to target:

312 shap came under attack of 4-6 Fw190.
Claims:
Fw190 shot down by La-5 (Kap.Tzagoiko, 49 iap), crashed in area of Seltzo;
Fw190 shot down by La-5 (Major Lyubimov,49 iap), crashed in area of 30-40km from Borovskoye a/f

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Over the target:
Result of attack on airfields:

62 shap - 3 x Flak, 18-20 aircrafts damaged and destroyed on earth;
312 shap - 1 x Flak, 1 big building destroyed, 3 aircratfs damaged.

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Road from target to home bases:

Groups came under attack of group of Bf109's and Fw190's.

Claims:

Bf109 shot down by Il-2 gunners (Bereschenko - 312 shap), crashed in area of target;
Fw190 shot down by La-5 (49 iap), crashed and burned in area of from Borovskoye a/f

Losses:

Il-2 (Ml.Lt. Shapovalov, 62 shap) heavy damaged by enemy fighter, crashlanded in area Alfyorovo;
Il-2 (Ml.Lt. Egorov, 62 shap) light damaged by enemy fighter, landed in Dvoevka a/f;
Il-2 (St.Lt. Panfilov, 62 shap) light damaged by enemy fighter, landed in Dvoevka a/f;

[Evgeny Velichko]

3 - Raid to attack airfield Sescha (5:30-5:45)

1st wave:
6 x Il-2 (leader Kap. Kornienko, 565 shap) +1 x Il-2 (966 shap) with close escort of 7 x Yak-7B (St.Lt. Yakovlev, 168 iap)

2nd wave:

9 x Pe-2 (261 bap), escort for all groups provided by 24 x Yak-1 (303 iad)
9 x Pe-2 (130 bap)
9 x Pe-2 (2 bap)

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Road to target:

All clear;

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Over the target:
Result of attack on airfield:

565 shap, 966 shap: destroyed 25-30 aircrafts,

261 bap, 2 bap, 130 bap: 2 aircrafts destroyed, explosions on the runway, hungars.

Losses:

Il-2 (Ml.Lt. Simonov, 565 shap) shot down by Flak, crashed in airfield;

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Road from target to home bases:

All clear;

[Evgeny Velichko]

4 - Raid to attack airfield Bryansk (5:17-5:37)

6 x Il-2 (Mjr. Glukhovtsev, 571 shap) with escort of 6 Yak-7B (18 giap)
5 x Il-2 (St.Lt. Zatsepa, 571 shap) with escort of 6 Yak-7B (18 giap)
6 x Il-2 (571 shap) with escort of 6 Yak-7B (18 giap)

8 x Pe-2 (6 bap) with escort of 6 Yak-1 (303 iad)
8 x Pe-2 (38 bap) with escort of 6 Yak-1 (303 iad)

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Road to target:

All clear;

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Over the target:
Result of attack on airfield:

571 shap: destroyed 6 x Bf109, 5 x Ju88, 2 hangars, 5 automobiles, 2 x Flak, 1 ammodepot
Claims:
Bf109 shot down on takeoff by Il-2 (571 shap)

6 bap + 38 bap: direct hits in hangars.

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Road from target to home bases:

571 shap intercepted by 6 x Fw190 and Bf109

Claims:

Fw190 shot down by Yak-7B (18 giap), crasged in airfield;
Fw190 shot down by Yak-7B (18 giap), crasged in airfield;

Losses:

Il-2 (Ml.Lt. Dyadishev, 571 shap) shot down by enemy fighters, crashed in area of airfield;
Il-2 (Ml.Lt. B.Novikov, 571 shap) shot down by enemy fighters, crashed in area of airfield;
Il-2 (Ml.Lt. F.Lapshin, 571 shap) shot down by enemy fighters, crashed in area of airfield;
Il-2 (Ml.Lt. D.Laptev, 571 shap) shot down by enemy fighters, crashed in area of airfield;

Il-2 (Ml.Lt. V. Muravyov, 571 shap) heavy damaged by enemy fighters, bellylanded in area of Bryanjkovo;