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Old 13th June 2019, 08:14
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RAF Serrate Patrol / Claim – Rennes, France - Night 8-9 June 1944

Hello/Bonjour,

I am looking for the German losses that may have occurred in or near Rennes, France during the night of 8-9 June 1944. A Mosquito of No.141 Squadron on Serrate patrol claims an "enemy aircraft" (01.20 hours) - in fact, shot down by the Flak during the chase. What is disturbing is that at about the same time, a Pathfinder Mosquito belonging to No.627 Squadron is lost, shot down by the Flak over Rennes (…a Bomber Command raid over the Rennes marshalling yards occurred some minutes later). If there are no German losses in the Rennes area that night, could a friendly/enemy mistake have occurred with an aircraft equipped with the Serrate device? I am trying to get enlightenment on this latter loss and I thank you beforehand for your answers.

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Old 14th June 2019, 07:36
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Re: RAF Serrate Patrol / Claim – Rennes, France - Night 8-9 June 1944

Hello ,

A single or twin engine aircraft ?

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Old 14th June 2019, 08:04
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Re: RAF Serrate Patrol / Claim – Rennes, France - Night 8-9 June 1944

Hello Alain,

The crew of No.141 Sqn don't really know, they are only talking about an "enemy aircraft".

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Old 14th June 2019, 08:09
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Re: RAF Serrate Patrol / Claim – Rennes, France - Night 8-9 June 1944

Here an excerpt of the No.141 Sqn ORB (aircrew F/O Gallacher - W/O McLean) regarding this chase :

[...] Mosquito turned in to the contact and chased it up to CHERBOURG and about 25 miles out to sea losing height to 7,000 feet and at 270 A.S.I. The chase then led east to LE HAVRE and then S.W. in a wide sweep to the RENNES area. All this time the Serrate signal strength had been steadily growing stronger and range had been reduced to well under a mile when RENNES was reached. Another Serrate (very weak) was scan at this point but ignored. Throughout the chase overland Mosquito had been greeted by spasmodic light Flak but as Mosquito flew over RENNES itself intense heavy and light Flak was sent up on the direction of both the Mosquito and enemy aircraft. The latter had for some time shown by its turns that it was aware of Mosquito’s presence and had been switched on and off and as Mosquito closed in, enemy aircraft took violent evasive action in the way at very tight turns first to one side and then the other in a determined effort to shake Mosquito off. Just before the Flak came up the enemy aircraft did a diving turn to starboard with Mosquito hot on its heels. When the Flak started to burst near enemy aircraft it increased its turn and dive presumably to avoid the Flak but before it could do so a heavy burst of light Flak was seen in a break in the clouds to come up and strike enemy aircraft which exploded less than a mile ahead and fell to the ground in burning pieces, the Serrate contact disappearing at the same time.[...]


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Re: RAF Serrate Patrol / Claim – Rennes, France - Night 8-9 June 1944

Hello Frederic,

Here some losses :
3 8/06/1944 1. JG 11 F St-M'Hervé (35), "La Fontennelle" Luftkampf Fw 190 A-6 470779 ws 3 + 100 Uffz. Folger, Alfred gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Rennes Prien/Rodeike, JG 1/11, II, s.1187
3 8/06/1944 2. JG 11 F Banneville-la-Campagne (Raum), 10 km E Caen Luftkampf Fw 190 A-8 sw 8 + 100 Ofw. Kokisch, Heinz gef. Absturzort aus Erstgrablage Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Rennes Prien/Rodeike, JG 1/11, II, s.1187 8/06/1944 3. JG 11 F Princé (35), "Les Ecruaux", 14 km NE Vitré unbek. Ursache, vermisst ! Fw 190 A-8 730289 ge 2 + 100 Uffz. Schüler, Günther gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Rennes Prien/Rodeike, JG 1/11, II, s.1187; www.ABSA39-45.com
3 8/06/1944 3. JG 11 F La-Ponsonniere (Raum) Luftkampf Fw 190 A 100 Gefr. Dahms, Fritz gef. VDK: Dams, Fritz Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Rennes Prien/Rodeike, JG 1/11, II, s.1187

8/06/1944 5. JG 26 F Tocqueville (1 km östl.) Luftkampf Fw 190 A-8 170625 ws 5 + – 100 Ltn. Giebner, Helmut gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Guyancourt PV-JG26 (246); www.absa39-45.asso.fr; Caldwell, JG26 War Diary, II, s.272
3 8/06/1944 11. JG 26 F Caen (5 km südwestl.) Luftkampf mit Spitfire-Verband, FSA nach Kabinentreffer (Kampfeinsatz Tiefangriffe Landekopf) Bf 109 G-6 162707 ge 15 + I 100 Gefr. Lienich, Heinz FSA, verw.-le Invasion, F 0-0-1-0 Villacoublay PV-JG26 (244, 245); www.absa39-45.asso.fr; Caldwell, JG26 War Diary, II, s.273 8/06/1944 6. JG 53 F Gosné (35), 25 km NE Rennes Absturz vermutl. inf. Höhenkrankheit Bf 109 G-6 412469 ge 11 + – 100 Gefr. Meister, Günther gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Vannes Prien, JG53, III, s.1372
3 8/06/1944 6. JG 53 F Malestroit (westl.) / Vannes Luftkampf Bf 109 G-5 110037 ge 13 + – 100 Ltn. Schmeling, Hans-Georg gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Vannes Prien, JG53, III, s.1372
3 8/06/1944 2. JG 54 F (Bayeux) Luftkampf, FSA Fw 190 A-8 730945 rt 3 + 100 Uffz. Bloens, Hans-Joachim FSA, gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Villacoublay-Süd NVM (III_JG54. s.4); Rosipal, JG54
3 8/06/1944 7. JG 54 F Cresseveuille, 25 km östl. Caen (NVM: Crosanville) Luftkampf (Motortreffer), FSA Fw 190 A-8 170644 ws 2 + I 100 Fw. Müller, Wilhelm FSA, verw.-le Invasion, F 0-0-1-0 Villacoublay- Süd NVM (III_JG54. s.4); Rosipal, JG54
3 8/06/1944 8. JG 54 F St.Martin-aux-Chartrains, NW Pont l'Eveque, 30 km ONO Caen Abgeschossen im Luftkampf Fw 190 A-8/R2 680182 sw 11 + I 100 Ltn. Tauchen, Alfred gef. Invasion, F 1-0-0-0 Villacoublay-Süd NVM (III_JG54, s.2); Rosipal, JG54 8/06/1944 2. KG 40 F (Cherbourg) Unbekannt He 177 A-5 550211 F8+LK 100 Ltn. Papenfuß, Artur vm. (8./9.6.44) Invasion, F (B) Ltn. Wadle, Karl [vm.] / Uffz. Schneider, Heinrich [vm.] / Uffz. Straube, Horst [vm.] / Uffz. Hartmann, Rudolf [vm.] / (Bs) Ofw. Hessenmüller, Werner [gef.] 6-0-0- Orleans-Bricy absa39-45.asso.fr; Liste-RT (EF08KAG, ADI-k 289)
3 8/06/1944 6. KG 40 F Tocqueville, 21 km ENE Cherbourg Unbekannt He 177 A-5 550083 F8+MP 100 Oblt. Busch, Adolf gef. (8./9.6.44) Invasion, F (B) Uffz. Schmidt, Herbert [gef.] / (Bf) Ofw. Witt, Walter [gef.] / (Bm) Uffz. Maibaum, Walter [gef.] / (Bs) Ogfr. Houben, Heinrich [gef.] 5-0-0-0 Bordeaux-Merignac absa39-45.asso.fr; Liste-RT (HW5 500) 8/06/1944 13.(Erg.) KG 40 F Angoulême Unbekannt He 177 A-3 535673 F8+DX 100 Oblt. Heuritsch, Richard gef. Invasion, F (Bx) Fw. Ditsche, Wolfgang [verw.] / (Bx) Fw. Sellmeyer, Fridolin [gef.] / (Bx) Fhj-Uffz. Zander, Heinz [gef.] / (Bx) Uffz. Schubert, Alfred [gef.] / (Bx) Ogfr Michalke, Adolf [gef.] / (Bx) Gefr. Schafsteller, Wilhelm [gef.] 6-0-1-0 Lechfeld absa39-45.asso.fr


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Re: RAF Serrate Patrol / Claim – Rennes, France - Night 8-9 June 1944

Hello/Demat* Alain,

Thank you for all this informations. A lot to check, although I think the Jagdgeschwadern like the JG 11 have operated during the day.

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