Fw 190 A-5/U12

[Pawel Burchard]

Is Erich Hondt's black 13 the only documented A-5/U12?
On one of the modelling forums I saw images of yellow 12 flown by Hans Pancritius of 3./J.G. 11 - is this only a speculation?

regards,
Pawel

[Jim P.]

Pawel,

I have a dozen or more listed for JGs 1, 11 & 2, including that the yellow 12 for Pancritius.

Jim P.

[Pawel Burchard]

Jim, would you be so kind to share the listing?

regards,
Pawel

[Micke D]

I have only seen Fw 190 A-5/U2's by JG 11, have anyone seen any photos from JG 1 or JG 2?

[Jim P.]

These are reported losses, not from photos:

FW 190A-5/U12, 1167, Kleinert, Uffz. Otto, , III., 7., JG 2, , , , , 16-Aug-43, WIA due to Luftkampf. FSA., , Lfl.3/Eins.Westen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.20; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.4, p.507; Ring, JG 2 loss list, p.15; Rodeike, Focke Wulf Jagdflugzeug, p.180, , bei Pontoise (PlQu. 05 Ost/20 77), 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 410247, Stiegler, Uffz. Helmut, 7, II., 4., JG 1, weiße, 6 + -, , , 12-May-44, KIA due to Luftkampf., , RLV, Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, II, p.1179; Mombeek, Defending the Reich, p.272, , bei Zell an der Mosel, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 160416, Strassemeier, Uffz. Herbert, , I., 1., JG 1, weiße, 6 +, , , 27-Apr-44, Killed in crash during landing after training flight., , RLV, Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, II, p.1176, , Münster-Loddenheide, 100%, H, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 150836, Gruber, Gefr. Friedmann, 9, , 10., JG 11, , , BH+CZ, , 05-Jan-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with Viermots., , RLV, Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, II, p.1157, Menke, SKZ list, über See, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 410266, Hondt, Ltn. Erich, 14, I., 2., JG 11, schwarze, 13 +, GT+IG, 8./JG 1 badge on cowl, wei§ tail, gelb arcs on cowl, gelb fuselage RVT band, 08-Oct-43, Stfhr. WIA due to Luftkampf. FSA., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.397; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, p.474-75 photos, p.610; Rodeike, Focke Wulf Jagdflugzeug, p.178; Barbas, V.I, dwg, , bei Winschoten, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 710015, Kuhnla, Oblt. Erich, , I., 3., JG 11, gelbe, 2 +, , , 27-Sep-43, MIA due to Luftkampf. Crashed at sea., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.396; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I, p.609, , über See, 35km nördlich Langeoog, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 7366, Pancritius, Oblt. Hans, , I., 3., JG 11, gelbe, 12 +, , , 17-Jul-43, Stfhr. KIA due to Luftkampf with B-17., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.396; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I, p.603, , 80km nördlich Borkum, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 410094, Laufer, Uffz. Karlheinz, , I., 2., JG 11, , , , , 13-Nov-43, KIA due to Luftkampf with B-24., WNr. 101094 per loss. WNr. 1094, Raum Husum, per Prien, dup with earlier 80% loss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.397; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I, p.614, , ostwärts Fl.Pl. Husum, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 150814, Kienle, Uffz. Eduard, , I., 1., JG 11, , , BH+CD, , 05-Nov-43, WIA due to Luftkampf., WNr. 0814 per Prien, et al., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.397; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I, p.613, , bei Rheine, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 710064, n.n., , III., 7., JG 2, , , DU+XL, , 16-Aug-43, Bruchlandung due to pilot error., WNr. 410064 per Prien, et al., Lfl.3/Eins.Westen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.20; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.4, p.507, , Fl.Pl. Conches, 15%, H, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12, 710064, ./., , II., 7., JG 2, , , DU+XL, , 01-Sep-43, Entered repair shops at Auxerre/Cravant. Left 1-Mar-44., , FR, Air P/W.I.U. 10-Oct-44/Sonderreparaturbbetrieb G.L. (Ago Flzgwerke), , Cravant-Bazarnes bei Auxerre, -, H, , , h.p.s. & FW.
FW 190A-5/U12 Y, 410239, Sahnwaldt, Oblt. Heinz, , I., 1., JG 11, weiße, 13 +, , , 04-Oct-43, Stkp. KIA due to Luftkampf., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.396; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I, p.610, , 30km nördlich Juist, 100%, F, , ,
FW 190A-5/U12 Y, 7358, CLAUSEN, Hptm. Erwin, 132, I., Stab I., JG 11, schwarze, << +, , , 04-Oct-43, Gr.Kdr. KIA due to Luftkampf., RK, EL., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, X.2, p.396; Prien & Rodeike, JG 1 & 11, I, p.610; Obermaier, p.51; Barbas, V. I, s76 photo, , 115km nordwestlich Borkum, 100%, F, , ,

[S Sheflin]

Hello Jim,

Thank you for posting your most interesting Fw190A-5/U12 listing. In the name of accuracy and not to be nit picking, after checking my database file and other reference material, I believe this one this one: (FW 190A-5/U12, 160416, Strassemeier, Uffz. Herbert…) is actually an Fw190G-3.

Thank you again for all of your hard work.

Steve Sheflin

[Jim P.]

Steve, based on the WNr. I would generally agree with you, but that is the way it was reported by the referenced source. Let's wait and see how it is reported when the 'Jagdfliegerverbande' series by the same author(s) get around to it again for same unit and time period.

[G.R.Morrison]

To echo Jim's reply, "maybe." It 'looks' like a G-3, but the Werknummern of these are not sequential, they're conversions.

BTW, the last entry, for CLAUSEN's WNr.7358, should have included p.417 in _JG 1 und 11_ (photo of it in the background, from 8 o’clock angle). We weren't always meticulous about including photo reference pages, being concerned then with a (likely-never-to-be-achieved) 'completion' of Werknummer ranges... As the other member of the NELM claims, "We're gonna get 'em all." He, of course, says this without having typed an entry, but we strive.

GRM

[Pawel Burchard]

Thank You gents for additional information.

p.

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi,

Just a small addition: FW 190 A-5/U12 WNr. 7366 was allotted to I./J.G. 11 on 1 July 1943, and was to be flown to Husum. (Source: ULTRA)

Cheers,
Andrew A.
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