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3 B-17 G /18.03.1944
Hallo!
On 18.03.1944 the USAAF lost 3 B-17 near the mountain Bussen in Upper Swabia. The Serial-Nr. are: 42-38032 near Andelfingen 48°08´28´´N-9°24´20´´O 42-37832 near Erbstetten 48°16´21´´N-9°32´28´´O 42-31966 near Hailtingen 48°08´16´´N-9°33´10´´O Which german pilots claimed this victories? Is it possible, that a flight teacher from JG 106 shut down one of these machines? (42-31966?) Thank you for your efforts! Grüsse aus Oberschwaben, Wolfgang Last edited by GrafWolf; 1st April 2016 at 16:57. |
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Re: 3 B-17 G /18.03.1944
According to the list of German crash reports compiled by the USAAF after the war (http://www.fold3.com/image/251/38650414/), the Germans recorded that:
42-31966 crashed at 1455 hrs (KU 1244) 42-38032 crashed at 1500 hrs (KU 1241) 42-37832 crashed at 1530 hrs (KU 1257) Here is the list of German claims as given by Tony Wood's files: 18.03.44 Hptm. Kurt Bühligen Stab II./JG 2 B-24 10 km. S.S.W. Forges: 4.000 m. 13.21 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.16 18.03.44 Ltn. Ekkehard Tichy: 21 9./JG 3 P-51 N.W. Stuttgart: 6.000 m. 13.42 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.421 18.03.44 Ofw. Langbahn 1./ZG 101 P-38 südl. Taunheim: tiefst. 14.00 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.1 18.03.44 Ltn. Jürgen Hoerschelmann: 13 Stab III./JG 3 B-17 i.Raum z. Bodensee: 8.000 m. 14.40 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.94 18.03.44 Fw. Mannetstetter 12./JG 2 B-17 S.W. - W. Ulm: 6.000 m. 14.50 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.13 18.03.44 Hptm. Herbert Huppertz Stab III./JG 2 B-17 S.W. - W. Ulm: 6.000 m. 14.50 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.72 18.03.44 Ltn. Horst Nitz 11./JG 2 B-17 04 Ost / 9963: 6.000 m. [Reims] 14.52 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.27 18.03.44 Ofw. Erich Scheyda: 19 3./JG 26 B-17 CU-4: 5.000 m. [Münsingen W.Ulm] 14.55 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.81 18.03.44 Fhj.Fw. Hanke 3./JG 11 B-24 GQ-89: 5.000 m. 14.58 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Fw. Norbert Schuecking: 3 1./JG 11 B-24 04 Ost N/DR-2 E.Freiburg, 5.000 m. 15.00 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.12 18.03.44 Ltn. Hans Schrangl: 2 Stab I./JG 11 B-24 04 Ost N/DQ-8/9 Raum Freiburg 5.500 m. 15.00 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Hptm. Herbert Huppertz Stab III./JG 2 P-51 S.W. to W. Ulm: 4.000 m. 15.02 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.62 18.03.44 Fw. Alwin Doppler: 18 2./JG 11 B-24 04 Ost N/CR-DR N.Freiburg, 4.800 m. 15.04 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.22 18.03.44 Ofw. Leibig: 1 6./JG 53 B-17 südl. Sigmaringen:4.500 m. 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.127 18.03.44 Ofw. Erwin Laskowski: 27 8./JG 11 B-24 N.E. Freiburg: 6.000 m. 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Uffz. Lohmeyer: 1 8./JG 11 B-24 N.E. Freiburg: 6.000 m. 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Fw. Born: 5 9./JG 11 B-24 DR-DS: 5.000 m. [Triberg-Rottweil] 15.05 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Ofw. Erwin Laskowski: 28 8./JG 11 B-24 östw. Freiburg: 6.000 m. 15.07 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Obfhr. Buschmann: 1 Stab/JG 11 B-24 DR: 4.600 m. [area Treiburg-St. Georgen] 15.08 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.3 18.03.44 Fw. Karl Kampe: 7 5./JG 27 B-24 ostw. Freiburg: 5.000 m. 15.08 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.120 18.03.44 Obfhr. Pehleman: 1 3./JG 11 B-24 04 Ost N/DQ Raum Freiburg 4.800 m. 15.08 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.22 18.03.44 Fw. Wiemann: 1 3./JG 11 B-24 DQ: 4.800 m. [Freiburg] 15.10 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM 18.03.44 Fw. Alwin Doppler: 19 2./JG 11 B-24 CQ-DQ: 4.800 m. [Lahr-Emmendingen] 15.10 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.23 18.03.44 Fhj.Fw. Hanke: 8 3./JG 11 B-24 04 Ost N/DQ-8/9 Raum Freiburg 5.000 m. 15.12 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.16 18.03.44 Uffz. Süss II./JG 2 B-24 CQ-18: 4.000 m. [S.W. Strasbourg] 15.13 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.52 18.03.44 Uffz. Ratzer II./JG 2 B-24 westl. Strasbourg: 3.500-4.000 m. 15.15 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM 18.03.44 Ltn. Franz Lackner 5./JG 2 B-24 CQ-7: 4.200 m. 15.15 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM 18.03.44 Obfhr. Dreizehner: 5 1./JG 11 B-24 DQ-3: 5.000 M. [Schweighausen] 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.13 18.03.44 Ltn. Helmut Koschack 5./JG 2 B-24 CQ-27: 4.000 m. [Erstein S. Strasbourg] 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.53 18.03.44 Obfhr: Gert Budnowski 5./JG 2 P-51 UU-QA-QQ-QA: 5.000 m. [Hohenlower] 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr. 18.03.44 Hptm. Anton Hackl: 137 Stab III./JG 11 B-24 DQ-DP: 6.000 m. 15.15 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: ASM 18.03.44 Uffz. Gebhard Wildensteiner 5./JG 2 B-24 nördl. Strasbourg: 4.000 m. 15.16 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.131 18.03.44 Uffz. Gebhard Wildensteiner 5./JG 2 B-24 20 km. S.W. Strasbourg: 4.000 m. 15.17 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM 18.03.44 Ltn. Paul Müngersdorf 5./JG 2 B-17 Raum Strasbourg: 4.000 m. 15.20 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM 18.03.44 Ltn. Broo 2./JG 106 P-38 südl. Strasbourg: 5.000 m. 15.20 Film C. 2025/I VNE: ASM 18.03.44 Fw. Erich Kolodzie: 12 9./JG 54 B-17 CS-4: 5.000 m. [Sülz] 15.20 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.205 18.03.44 Ltn. Eugen Ludwig Zweigart 8./JG 54 B-17 CQ-6: 5.000 m. [Lahr-Biberach] 15.20 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.209 18.03.44 Fw. Heinz Gosemann: 18 8./JG 3 B-17 10 km. nördl. Tübingen: 4.500 m. 15.25 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.238 18.03.44 Ltn. Raimund Koch: e.V. 8./JG 3 B-17 e.V. 20 km. W. Rottweil: 4.500 m. 15.35 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.238 Supplemental Claims from Sources: 18.03.44 Fw. Norbert Schuecking: 4 I./JG 11 B-24. 04 Ost N/DQ N.E. Freiburg 4.800 m. - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204 18.03.44 Hptm. Anton Hackl: 138 Stab III./JG 11 B-24 - - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204 18.03.44 Hptm. Anton Hackl: 139 Stab III./JG 11 B-24 - - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204 18.03.44 Ofw. Keil: 9 9./JG 11 B-24 - - Reference: JG 11 List f. 1204 18.03.44 Ltn. Karlheinz Kapp: 7 4./JG 27 P-38 S.E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f. 18.03.44 Ltn. Eberhard Schade: 6./JG 27 P-38 S.E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f. 18.03.44 Fw. Hans-Eberhard Blume: 3 4./JG 27 P-38 S.E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f. 18.03.44 Obfhr. Adolf Oberhofer: 1 6./JG 27 B-17 Leipheim [Bayern] E. Ulm - Reference: JG 27 List f. 18.03.44 Ltn. Karl Paashaus: 18 * 5./JG 53 P-38 - - Reference: JG 53 List f. 18.03.44 Hptm. Hermann Staiger: 45 12./JG 26 B-17 Colmar - Reference: DLC JG 26 f.234 Please note that all the claims of the last category have no time. The more recent Jadgverbande books by Prien have not reached 1944 yet, but by comparing them and Tony Wood in 1943 most of the "Supplemental Claims from Sources" have been discarded, but not all. So here is the data, good luck for matching them together. |
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Re: 3 B-17 G /18.03.1944
Hallo Laurent!
Thank you very much! Have a nice christmas time!! Herzliche Grüsse aus Altshausen, Wolfgang |
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Re: 3 B-17 G /18.03.1944
Laurant,
A few Christian names. Fw. Hermann Mannetstetter Fw. Heinz Hanke Fw. Heinz Born Ofhr. Hans-Eberhard Pehlemann Fw. G:unther Wiemann Ofhr. Gerhard Dreizehner Lt. Karl Broo Ofw. Georg Keil Frans A |
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