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Old 7th February 2018, 20:00
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92 Squadron Battle of Britain Claims - July 10th 1940

Can anyone help me to identify the source of a couple of claims listed in Brian Cull's Battle for the Channel. During the morning of 10th July 1940, the opening day of the Battle of Britain, 92 Squadron had 3 encounters with Luftwaffe bombers. Cull lists the 3rd of these as 2 Spitfires near Barry, 12:00-13:18, flown by P/O Hill and P/O Wright claiming an He 111 probable shared. I can find no corresponding combat reports at the National Archive and Form 540 and 541 do not mention this particular claim. I have reviewed claims and losses in Mason, Ramsey/Cornwell, Foreman, Shores, and Parry without success.
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Old 7th February 2018, 21:33
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Re: 92 Squadron Battle of Britain Claims - July 10th 1940

Hi Peter,
Certainly there is nothing in the ORB that indicates any combat on the 10th, in fact it states that no contact was made.
It is possible that the information came from D G Williams's combat report for the 10th which seems to contradict the ORB although it is difficult to read.
Alternatively, perhaps at the time that the research was completed he had access to a logbook and took the information from that.
Gerry
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Old 8th February 2018, 07:29
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Re: 92 Squadron Battle of Britain Claims - July 10th 1940

You can ask him directly here. He is active in this forum under the name of Brian (see for example the last post of the sticky post on Friendly fire above)
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Old 8th February 2018, 12:55
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Re: 92 Squadron Battle of Britain Claims - July 10th 1940

Hi guys

Just spotted this.

Sorry, I can't give a definitive answer as to where the information came from (my material for the book was gathered over a period of 25-30 years!) but I do recall reading a history of 92 Squadron (possibly privately published) many years ago - 'Best of the Few' by Michael Robinson. I no longer have a copy but this may have been the source of the information. If not, I'll keep delving into a ton of papers that represent part of my archive!!

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Old 8th February 2018, 18:49
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Thanks to all for your replies, and especially Brian -- I greatly appreciate your amazing work in your 2 Battle of Britain volumes, when is Volume 3 due!

Peter
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Old 9th February 2018, 12:56
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Re: 92 Squadron Battle of Britain Claims - July 10th 1940

Hi Peter

I do have my critics so your kind words are encouraging!

I'm afraid that I cannot yet give a date for 'Battle for the Airfields' but hopefully next year. Definitely not this year - too much on my plate!

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Thanks to all for your replies, and especially Brian -- I greatly appreciate your amazing work in your 2 Battle of Britain volumes, when is Volume 3 due!

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Brian, I completely agree with Peter, your work is amazing. Your two books on the Battle of Britain, Twelve Days on May, and With the Yanks in Korea are some of my favorites of yours, and some of the best books I've ever read. Looking forward to whatever you do next and hopefully a third volume on the Battle of Britain.

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Can anyone help me to identify the source of a couple of claims listed in Brian Cull's Battle for the Channel. During the morning of 10th July 1940, the opening day of the Battle of Britain, 92 Squadron had 3 encounters with Luftwaffe bombers. Cull lists the 3rd of these as 2 Spitfires near Barry, 12:00-13:18, flown by P/O Hill and P/O Wright claiming an He 111 probable shared. I can find no corresponding combat reports at the National Archive and Form 540 and 541 do not mention this particular claim. I have reviewed claims and losses in Mason, Ramsey/Cornwell, Foreman, Shores, and Parry without success.
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a history of 92 Squadron (possibly privately published) many years ago - 'Best of the Few' by Michael Robinson.
Hi Peter and Brian,

I have just had a look in Robinson's "Best of the Few" (pg 47) and there is no mention of any claims by 92 on the 10th July.

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Tim
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Old 12th February 2018, 15:09
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Re: 92 Squadron Battle of Britain Claims - July 10th 1940

Thanks for that, Tim

Not that source then!

I'll have to start digging deeply!

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Old 12th February 2018, 21:23
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Thanks for that, Tim

Not that source then!

I'll have to start digging deeply!

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Brian
You're welcome Brian.

In truth I'm a bit flummoxed about where that info regarding 92 and the 10th could have come from. I've had a bit of a scuffle around with things but they just don't fit. Howard Hill didn't get a He111 until the 15th September when he bagged two by himself confirmed, these being his only claims for 111s. Allan Wright did have a shared He111 but that was on the 14th August with Desmond "Bill" Williams. Sounds like this might be one of those inevitable little errors that sneak under the radar.

By the way, I'm another fan as well so do please keep the books and research coming!

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Tim
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