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Old 26th July 2005, 23:37
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5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Hello to all!


Can anyone supply me the Werke nummer and code letters for an Me 110G of 5/ZG76 shot down in combat on the 04.10.43? Sadly, the pilot, Lt. Hans Hetzer and his R/Op Uffz. Günther Barth were both killed.
Any information regarding this loss would be very much appreciated!

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Old 27th July 2005, 12:42
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Pilot name was Metzen hans, ltn, absturz nach LFK,Lammersdorf, bf110g-3, wn4906, no code know by me.Just noted II.ZG76, where come info concerning st. 5 ??

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Old 27th July 2005, 20:50
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Hello RT!

Many thanks for getting in touch regarding the aircraft details of Lt. Hans Metzen, it is very much appreciated. The details I have regarding this loss originally came from the WASt report, info added to a written database of the II Gruppe ZG76, from this comes the 5th Staffel. The information came from a fellow researcher in Germany. Also the crash location I have is Simmerath, which is not too far from Lammersdorf I must apologize for my spelling error, some of the handwritten info is hard to read. If you are interested I can send you a scanned portrait photo of Hans Metzen.

A little additional information regarding the Metzen family. Hans had an identical twin brother, also a pilot in the Luftwaffe. Sadly, Fhj-Feldwebel Jakob Metzen was killed in action on the 14.02.1945 at Manze (Poland?) whilst serving with Gren. Rgt. 1238. If anyone out there knows which Luftwaffe unit he served with, I would be extremely interested.
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Old 28th July 2005, 19:34
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Hi Melvin...there is a point map of all the Me-110's shot down that day..my uncle, Uffz Haupt, flew with 2 ZG 6/76 and was shot down by Meckenheim by P-47's of the 63rd FG. There was also a well written article about this day entitled "A Black Day for the ZG 76"

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Old 29th July 2005, 01:14
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Hi Mike

Thanks for getting in touch, much appreciated!
I found the loss regarding your uncle Emil and his R/Op, Uffz Leopold Berger in my loss list and was sorry to learn that they both perished in the crash of their Bf 110 near Meckenheim. I also note that I do not have the werke nummer for their aircraft either, do you possibly have it?

For the past twenty years I have been compiling a Luftwaffe Erinnerungs Archive, dedicated in preserving images, photos etc of Luftwaffe aircrew who were killed and those who are still listed as MISSING.
Most of the photos I have in my archive have come directly from the relatives of the fallen. I wonder if I may be bold enough to ask you if you could possibly send me a scan of your uncle Otto, if you have one?
I would be very pleased to include him in my Erinnerungs Archive. I must add that I am not political, my main interest is preserving the individual fatalities in the spirit of "Remembrance & Reconcilliation", regardless of nationality!

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Old 29th July 2005, 01:47
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

'Hi Melvin...there is a point map of all the Me-110's shot down that day..my uncle, Uffz Haupt, flew with 2 ZG 6/76 and was shot down by Meckenheim by P-47's of the 63rd FG. There was also a well written article about this day entitled "A Black Day for the ZG 76"'

Mike
When, where, and by whom was this article written? Thanks for any info.
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Old 30th July 2005, 15:05
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Hi again Melvin...
Werke nummer #6251 ME110G2 absturtzte bei der Oberen Muhle Meckenheim Have been trying to find out thehistory of this unit for many years. The article is long out of print; i think I may have a copy of the plot maps for the crash sites. Contact me at mopitz_rechts_med@yahoo.com Mike
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Old 30th July 2005, 18:11
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

Hi George...the article was written in the mid 90's by a researcher named Horst Schuh PhD...he led a group that uncovered remains of an ME110 of the leader of the 6/76 ZG Kapt Oskar Gehring. Some of the photos in this article are those provided by myself of my uncle's Me110. Gehring's crash site was near Euskirchen Mike
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Old 31st July 2005, 02:27
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Re: 5/ZG76 Me 110 loss 4th Oct 1943

"Hi George...the article was written in the mid 90's by a researcher named Horst Schuh PhD...he led a group that uncovered remains of an ME110 of the leader of the 6/76 ZG Kapt Oskar Gehring. Some of the photos in this article are those provided by myself of my uncle's Me110. Gehring's crash site was near Euskirchen
Mike"

Thank you, Mike. Would there be any way to get hold of a copy of the article. It sounds interesting.
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