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Old 20th April 2008, 21:14
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1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Hi,

Does anyone bring more light into action of the 1 Sqn in Portsmouth area on 16 August 1940 please ? Did it fight with Bf 109s of JG 27 ?

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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Hi,
This should help from the logbook of H J mann.





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Old 21st April 2008, 22:35
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the copy.
A detailded analysis of the fight brought a possible victor who s/d Tim Elkington. Oblt. Ludwig Franzisket of 7./JG 27.

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Old 23rd April 2008, 19:08
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

On a similar vein, can anybody help with a copy of the ORB or operational details for No1 Sq circa 11.8.40
Any help would be most appreciated.
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Michal, are you sure? I would say all the combats were quite a mess.
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Old 24th April 2008, 13:50
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Franek,

Of course Michal cannot be sure but both time & location of the loss of ELKINGTON's Hurricane on August 16, 1940, make it a distinct possibility that he was 'bounced' by FRANZIKET of 7./JG27.
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Old 24th April 2008, 14:50
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

But Tim was downed at 13.40 and JG27 claims were at 1315 over IoW, and at 1320 over Portsmouth!
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Old 24th April 2008, 15:20
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Franek: JG 27 and 1 Sqn were involved in the same attack so maybe times have become confused and Elkington was shot down over Portsmouth (or between Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight) and his Hurricane just about crashed on land at Chidham (I participated in the dig of his Hurricane MANY years ago) ergo the distinct assumption as to who got him
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

Stukas took off at about noon - 1200. Tangmere was reputedly attacked at about 1300. II/JG27 claims were at 1315 over IoW, III/JG27 at 1320 over Portsmouth, II/JG53 at 1335 at unknown location, I/JG2 (Wick) at 1335 East of Portsmouth. Tim's log book filed at the time states 1340. This makes a logical sequence.
43 and 601 Sqns were attacked at about 1300-1320 thus fitting to JG27 claims. 602 Sqn was also hit, but at unspecified time. My guess is that 1 Sqn was scrambled before the German attack, gained height and was kept in the reserve flying around, and only then send to join the battle.
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Re: 1 Sqn on 16 August 1940

29 Stukas of I/StG 2 took off at 1305 and attacked Tangmere 1355. 25 Stukas of III/StG 2 took off at 1305 and were turned back by defending fighters. 25 Stukas of III/StG 1 took off at 1300 hrs and attacked Lee on Solent & Ventnor. 22 Stukas from I/StG 3 took off at 1300 hrs and attacked Portsmouth. Escort was 62 from JG 2, 74 from JG 27, 78 from JG 53, 43 from ZG 2, 11 from V/LG 1 and claims were 2 Spitfires II/JG 27, 2 Hurricanes III/JG 27, 2 Hurricanes II/JG 53, 1 Hurricane I/JG 2, 1 Spitfire & 1 Hurricane from III/StG 2. One hell of a lot of aircraft were in the area at the time!
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