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Peter Kassak · #11 8th August 2011, 18:50

Loos states in his Flugbuch 4 claims of russian fighters. 2x 24.4.1945, 1x 25.4.1945 and 1x 30.4.1945. All in Ta 152 "4"

Pilot · #12 8th August 2011, 19:54

Any info from Soviet sources?

FalkeEins · #13 9th August 2011, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Peter Kassak

Loos states in his Flugbuch 4 claims of russian fighters. 2x 24.4.1945, 1x 25.4.1945 and 1x 30.4.1945. All in Ta 152 "4"

..his 'Flugbuch' ? ..or the 'doctored', re-constituted, patched-up photocopied version floating around ? probably not to be relied upon....

Loos also 'witnessed' a number of Dahl's victories in late 1944-early 1945 ..a good month or two after he left JG 300

Peter Kassak · #14 9th August 2011, 14:25

Neil, I did not have it in hands, but the last page I have is a color photo of what seems original paper. I have it from source, who personally knew Loos, and received his LW uniform as well.
So no photocopy definitelly. Dunno if Loos faked his Flugbuch postwar...cannot judge that.

FalkeEins · #15 9th August 2011, 14:51

Hi Peter,

no I doubt Loos bothered 'faking' his Flugbuch post-war..

but someone - probably not Loos himself - has 'created' a version of the Loos Flugbuch from photo copies and then taped the photos together to create a contiguous document, although it looks as though a new page has been pasted over the top of an old one which covers this late-war period. Could be completely innocent for all I know...

Is your image the 'good' copy showing Page 52 all flights from 861 to 876..?

Peter Kassak · #16 9th August 2011, 18:35

Hi Neil,

Yes, this is what I have. I have been told it comes directly form the Flugbuch...I have three separate photos, and I stitched it together...

what do you think?

regards

Peter

FalkeEins · #17 9th August 2011, 18:43

thanks Peter - this certainly looks like a 'good' copy as far as I can tell ...and interesting in that it appears to come from the actual Flugbuch - the cover is just visible (?) ... all I've ever seen are page copies...

I guess 'statements' to the contrary have to go down as no more than 'hearsay' in the face of 'documentary' evidence

Peter Kassak · #18 9th August 2011, 19:07

Neil, I am glad I could help.
I also saw the cover of FB, and had it from man, who was trustful. So I never doubt.
I hope that there is no such a fake FB in such a masterpiece status, including ink stamps on 1944/45 paper kind

so does this mean that Loos had possibly really 4 Russian planes claimed in Ta 152?

FalkeEins · #19 10th August 2011, 12:21

..as a sceptic I'd say all Ta 152 claims were 'unsubstantiated'. Evidence for or against is largely based on personal reminiscence.

Erich · #20 10th August 2011, 18:25

think that we may have to question any claims of pilot's with over 3-4 victories flying these late war machines. some speculation with O. Romm with his 6 plus kills against the Soviets in 1945 with the Dora 9, though a nice write up some years ago in A. Prices compilation on the Fw 190 series.