UNKNOWN LUFTWAFFE BOMBER

[wise62]

Hello

parts of an unknown german bomber have been found on a north France beach.
A MG mount is still recognizable. Enough to identify the type of the a/c? certainly a bomber.

Thanks for answer

[Mikael Olrog]

I doubt it would be sufficient to only use the mg mount to identify the aircraft since these were often standardised and fitted to more than one aircraft type. Most likely the other remains could give more clues than the mg mount.

/Mike

[wise62]

a picture of a Do17 force-landed on the beach of Berck, there where the parts of the german bomber have been recently found. It's quite certain that it is the really a/c.
It seems a, a/c of the KG2 (ruban nose?)

[gilles collaveri]

looks very likely to be a DO17:

There are many nice pictures there,

http://lemurdelatlantique.lebonforum...plage-de-berck

you will improve your French tonight, guys !

GC

[Larry Hickey]

wise62 et al,

I ran this against the EoE Luft Loss Photo DB and didn't locate any KG2 loss, which the nose band suggests. Looks like something from the BoB or The Blitz period. There is something wrong with the photo that you posted, as the starboard prop appears to be only two blades, and I don't understand the strange dark bands or lines on the nose and the side of the nacelle. I'd certainly like to document this one for our loss DB, and even possibly for an EoE Color Profile, so I hope that this one can be resolved and identified.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

[Graham Boak]

It looks as though it has been photoshopped, with the starboard cowling and prop added, though why the 2-blade prop? Perhaps to leave it obvious that this part was not original?

[obdl3945]

Larry, Graham et al...



I agree that the starboard propellor looks 'Photoshopped'. I did think that the horizontal stripes on the side of the forward fuselage might be a reflection of some form of layering on the sand bank or dune that the aircraft is facing, but not sure it would have reflected to the same extent we see here on the inside of the starboard cowling... I would've expected some shadow from the fuselage to be present. Also, it looks way too 'polished' and given the rather faded/matt appearance of much of the rest of the aircraft, I think the fuselage and cowling sides have definitely been doctored.

We haven't been told where the image originated from but if it was perhaps from ebay or the like, then perhaps someone has tried to blank out superimposed text and then tried to restore image to something like the original.

Regards,

Paul

[edNorth]

Nah guys, that Luftwaffe Do 17 Z (I presume) photo shows it lying in a puddle of water (sea-water), merely mirroring the bent props that way, and those "strange" horizontal bands on fuselage and cowlings are leftovers of (salt) dirt from the seawater. Likely "the banding" having been created by the tides coming and going, and salt drying on the surface, at various heights. Its quite tempting blame Photoshop´ing but I am certain this is not such. Diagonal Light band on nose indeed suggests KG 2 aircraft.

Ed

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

Agree with Ed on this one, nicely spotted.

But now I kind of wonder how to make a model out of this crash and get the same effect... Hmmmmm.

Regards,
Andreas B

[ouidjat]

Hi Guys,

Gilles gave a link; good to use!

Picture has been taken by a LW Wart based in Berck. Crash occured in October 1940 according to interview.
Most probably the picture posted by Wise62 comes from the same source.
Wart lived in Bad Honnef in 1978!

Regards, Franck.

PS: Of course Ed's right!