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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Reasons? Highly-intensive combat missions, small-caliber gunfire, crashes on take-off and landing. That was enough for Bf109's, flying low-level strafing attacks over the Belostock area, wich was filled with troops.
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Hello andrus,
because of two double entries in the GenQu. loss reports actually 14 Bf 109 and 3 Hs 123 were lost on these two days. Here the loss reasons are listed: Ursache/cause 1 (= Totalverlust durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug vermisst) 3 Bf 109 E-7 Ursache/cause 20 (= Totalverlust ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag) 5 Bf 109 E-7 (3 Startunfälle/start accidents, 1 Notlandung/emergency landing, 1 Absturz/crash) Ursache/cause 21 (= beschädigt ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag) 3 Hs 123 B-1 (1 Startunfall/start accident, 2 Landeunfälle/landing accidents) 1 Bf 109 E-4/B (Startunfall/start accident) 5 Bf 109 E-7 (2 Startunfälle/start accidents, 3 Notlandungen/emergency landings). Regards Leo |
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
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My question concerns the the strength report of the II./(Schl.) LG 2you attached here...how does one read this ? My second question is where in the archives did you find it ? Thanks in advance oquaig |
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Hi, oquaig
You could start by reading this and the subsequent blog posts on deciphering the strength reports: https://aviationhistorynorway.blogsp...h-reports.html Regards, Andreas B
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Hi, all
Commenting on the unusual high losses on June 22nd and 23rd 1941. These were the immediate start of Barbarossa - were LG 2 was heavily involved in attacks on ground troops - and as we know the Bf 109 was in no way impregnable to small arms fire flying at low level... But - in this case it was more the conditions of the airfield that led to a high number of aircraft losses: Suwalki - 5 aircraft damaged in ground handling: 3 aircraft 'beim Start ausgebrochen' 2 aircraft 'zusammenstoss beim Start' Berzniki - 7 aircraft damaged during approach or shortly after landing and 2 during take-off: 2 aircraft 'beim Start ausgebrochen' 2 aircraft 'Notlandung' - could be due to damage obtained during operations 2 aircraft 'bei Landing ausgebrochen' 2 aircraft 'Bruchlanding' 1 aircraft 'Absturz' In addition 3 aircraft were lost in the Grodno area - these likely being combat losses. Uffz. Bodden and Uffz. Wolf returned to the unit unhurt, so I would not be surprised if photos exist of the emergency landed L + and H + exist - unless they parachuted to safety. Regards, Andreas B
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Yes, belly-landed /\+L photo exist, I can sent it to You if need.
Also, landing accidents occure often, when mainwheels were shot through by enemy small arms fire. |
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Hi, Evgeny!
AS I have the possibility to attach photos to the loss records on my site now a copy would be nice as it will also appear on the loss record when I post a link. Regards, Andreas B
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
Here You are. Russland, summer 1941. Possibly aircraft You need.
Last edited by Evgeny Velichko; 22nd May 2021 at 20:56. |
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Re: II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2
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regards oquaig |