Josef Kunz 8/JG5

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Hello

Born the 25/05/1919,wounded the 14/01/1945 (JG4)

How many claims?:someone has the answer

Thank's in advance

michel

[Ian Jewison]

I have a signed photo of him somewhere and he put "15 Abschuss" on the reverse of the photo......or it was in letters from him....will have to check.

/Ian

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I asked this question because it's not clear.
That'is true 15 is the number generally given,however according E.Mombeek,his claim of 11/5/44 would be his 20th !!!,so problem!
And to obscure a little more-a claim on 14/01/45-his 18th!with a testimony of Kunz himself.

I quote;"I shot down a P-47 at 10h precise (my 18th victory confirmed).

Really simple to understand something !!!

michel

[Ian Jewison]

I will dig out his letters tomorrow and take a look.

/Ian

[Jim P.]

Loss entries for Josef Kunz, and claim entry - from my database. Note that the claims accounting is still absolute or complete.

Bf 109G-6, , Kunz, Fw. Josef, 16, III., 9., JG 5, gelbe, 9 +, , , 17-Mar-44, Bauchlandung due to technical failure., , Finnland, Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.393; Mombeek, Eismeerjäger, V.IV, p.242, , Skorgerce, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, , Kunz, Fw. Josef, 16, III., 9., JG 5, gelbe, 9 +, , , 11-May-44, Engine trouble., , Finnland, Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.395, , Petsamo, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, , Kunz, Ltn. Josef, , II., 4., JG 5, , , , , 04-Aug-44, Luftkampf. FSA., , RLV, Mombeek, Eismeerjäger, V.IV, p.247, , Uelzen, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109, , Kunz, Ltn. Josef, , IV., 13., JG 4, weiße, 18 + ~, , , 01-Jan-45, Stfhr. Bauchlandung due to Flak., , Bodenplatte, Manrho/Pütz, Bodenplatte, p.280; Mombeek, Sturmjäger, II, p.256, , bei Idar-Oberstein, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-10, 490691, Kunz, Ltn. Josef, 16, IV., 13., JG 4, weiße, 1 + ~, , , 14-Jan-45, Stfhr. WIA due to Luftkampf. FSA., , Lw.Kdo.West, WASt; Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/766, p.14; Mombeek, Sturmjäger, II, p.257; Girbig, JG 5 p.242., , bei Deidesheim/Neustadt, 100%, F, , ,

Kunz, Josef, Ltn., 16, JG 5, JG 4, Stkp. WIA on 14-Jan-45 due to Luftkampf. Later DOW?, , O.K.L. Fighter Claims; Girbig, JG 5 p.242

I’d throw in the actual claims as well, but these are still not complete in my database. Some of the later claims still need resolution between multiple sources.

[Ian Jewison]

My mistake.....he wrote he had 16 Luftsiege.

/Ian

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Well,well
I look at my screen and I remain circumspect because "the light does not appear".Quite the contrary,it's even more confused.

Why speak in his testimony of an 18th victory and E.Monbeek of a 20th several months before 14/01/45 (it's true that between the 8th and so-called 20th,always according Monbeek,I have little information).

For now my question remains without really answer.But someone??

michel

[Russ Fahey]

I hesitate to throw further gas on this fire, but what the heck....
Josef Kunz made 18 claims noted in his flugbüch, for what that may or may not be worth. The last claim (#18) was a P-47 ("Thunderbolt) on January 14, 1945.

Attached is the last page of his flugbüch, which mentions this last claim , where it is assigned the cumulative number of 18.

Russ

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Hi Russ

Great ! Would you have other interesting information from his flugbuch? as his claims with JG5?

michel

[Johannes]

Hi Michel

Claims are as follows:-

17th May 1942 MiG-3 30km E Murmansk 0925 hrs u/c
17th June 1942 Hurricane W Schonguj 0938 hrs Nr.1
2nd September 1942 Hurricane near Kola railway station 1122 hrs 3500 metres Nr.2
5th December 1942 LaGG-3 Murmaschi area 1100 hrs 600 metres Nr.3
24th January 1943 LaGG-3 1250 hrs 5200 metres Nr.4
13th March 1943 Airacobra 0625 hrs 50 metres Nr.5
13th March 1943 Pe-2 0944 hrs 4000 metres Nr.6
13th March 1944 Jak-7 N Poluostruv Rybachiy 1339 hrs 120 metres Nr.7
23th April 1944 P-40 Poluostruv Rybacjiy 1041 hrs Nr.8
23rd April 1944 P-40 SW Waida 1043 hrs 250 metres Nr.9
23rd April 1944 P-40 SE Waida 1049 hrs 50 metres Nr.10
23rd April 1944 Airacobra NE Berlevaag 1446 hrs 150 metres Nr.11
23rd April 1944 Airacocra NE Berlevaag 1448 hrs 50 metres Nr.12
10th May 1944 Il-2 50km SE Pechenga 0133 hrs 30 metres Nr.13
11th May 1944 P-40 Varanga Fjord 0110 hrs 50 metres Nr.14
4th August 1944 P-47 W Hamburg 1321 hrs 8300 metres Nr.15
12th December 1944 P-47 Biblis/Worms 1548 hrs 700 metres Nr.16
14th January 1945 P-47 Nr.17

Those upto and including that for 11th May 1944 were with 8./JG 5, then 4./JG 5, IV./JG 4 and 13./JG 4.

Kind Regards

Johannes