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Old 1st September 2019, 21:02
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Re: Airfields of the Luftwaffe

Fliegerhorst Alperstedt or Gross-Ruderstedt bei Erfurt, or perhaps both...

There are two photos from an expired eBay auction showing Bf 109 G-10 and G-14/AS of 8./JG 27, with the writing overleaf "Alarmstart in Alperstedt Februar 1945". The photos were posted today, 1 September 2019, and can be found on the Luftwaffe Fliegerhorste 1933-1945 FB page, administered by Marc-André Haldimann, and others.

The same photo is said to have been published in Jochen Prien and Gerhard Stemmer's opus on II./JG 3, Strüve Verlag, 1996, p. 379 with the location given as Gross-Rudestedt bei Erfurt, Winter 1944 - 1945.

According to the aforementioned FB page member, Alperstedt and Großrudestedt are both neighbouring villages north of Erfurt. Between both villages there is still a huge field, so it is possible that this was the former airfield, lying between both villages, leading to the fact that it was named after one and/or the other villages in different sources.

The information is given with agreement and in close cooperation with Marc-André. Hopefully, Larry deZeng will find it useful for his growing airfield database.

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Old 2nd September 2019, 00:30
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Hvala vam, Sinisa!

I agree. I think it was an open field, pasture, meadow that became a convenient and useful landing ground mainly because it was undeveloped and unknown to the Allies. There were a number of these in those final months of the war where the Luftwaffe had to improvise to avoid being spotted and strafed on the ground. It probably had a woods along one or more sides along which the aircraft could be parked and somewhat concealed with evergreen boughs and netting. Not having access to the photo, my comments are just speculation.

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Old 2nd September 2019, 00:44
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Re: Airfields of the Luftwaffe

Hi there Larry,

Here is the old eBay photo in question starting this process of thinking, especially so because Jochen Prien and Gerhard Stemmer published it in 1996 as being taken at Gross Rudestedt whilst the photo backside had this written caption : “ Alarmstart in Alperstedt, February 1945”

https://flic.kr/p/2h8LBqQ

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Old 2nd September 2019, 00:59
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You are most welcome, Larry.

In addition to Marc-André's link above, for illustration purposes I herewith attach one of the two photos with the remarks on the date and location overleaf. Source: Expired eBay auction.

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Old 2nd September 2019, 01:57
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Thanks Marc and Sinisa! Although it's hard to tell with any certainty, it looks like there was something along the edge of the trees in the background. Of course, the treeline wouldn't afford as much cover in the dead of winter as it would when the trees were covered with foliage.

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Old 19th November 2019, 20:41
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Re: Airfields of the Luftwaffe

Correction:

Nordhorn airfield is located in Niedersachsen, not in Nordrhein-Westfalen.

Don't know if borders have changed in the meantime, but at the moment the airfield is located in Niedersachsen.
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Old 20th November 2019, 01:50
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Hello Mr. Tiger -

It looks like we were both wrong.

1) "Lower Saxony (German: Niedersachsen) is a German state situated in northwestern Germany. It was created by the merger of the State of Hanover (Hannover) with Brunswick (Braunschweig), Oldenburg, and Schaumburg-Lippe on 1 November 1946." So it didn't exist during the NS period. All of the locations given in my monograph are during the NS period.

2) The State (Land) it was in during the NS period was Oldenburg. So I was wrong when I wrote Nordrhein-Westfalen.


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Hello Mr. Tiger -

It looks like we were both wrong.

1) "Lower Saxony (German: Niedersachsen) is a German state situated in northwestern Germany. It was created by the merger of the State of Hanover (Hannover) with Brunswick (Braunschweig), Oldenburg, and Schaumburg-Lippe on 1 November 1946." So it didn't exist during the NS period. All of the locations given in my monograph are during the NS period.

2) The State (Land) it was in during the NS period was Oldenburg. So I was wrong when I wrote Nordrhein-Westfalen.

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Larry de Zeng

Thank you for your answer!

Lower Saxony is not really 'wrong' though, this name is used throughout the entire document.



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